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  • Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     OP - March 28, 2011, 07:51 PM
    Notice these are getting more popular on the more modern forums & social networking sites.  

    e.g.  facebook groups have a like button  for each post e.g. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_205817786096630&ap=1#!/home.php?sk=group_205817786096630&notif_t=group_activity
    I think some kind of system like that would work well here, but realise its a major overhaul so just thought I'd throw it out there anyway just in case.  
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #1 - March 28, 2011, 07:52 PM
    So you want posting on a forum to become a popularity contest?

    (more than it is already?)
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    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #2 - March 28, 2011, 07:54 PM
    We did have that here back in the day.  It didn't end well. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #3 - March 28, 2011, 07:58 PM
    Quote from: z10 on March 28, 2011, 07:52 PM
    So you want posting on a forum to become a popularity contest?

    (more than it is already?)

    That is the problem, but no I certainly dont want this to happen.  Other problem is that groups will form too.  Perhaps it is a bad idea.  tbh I was looking at it more from the angle of motivating the higher quality posts.

    Quote from: Cheetah on March 28, 2011, 07:54 PM
    We did have that here back in the day.  It didn't end well. 

    pray tell, what happened?
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #4 - March 28, 2011, 08:01 PM
    People started having neg rep wars and zapping each other 100s of times for the hell of it.  Once most of the forum was on about -5000, the mods at the time just scrapped it.
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #5 - March 28, 2011, 08:03 PM
     Cheesy  sounds like fun
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #6 - March 28, 2011, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: z10 on March 28, 2011, 07:52 PM
    So you want posting on a forum to become a popularity contest?

    Oftentimes I have felt like showing I agree or expressing approval to a good post, but have nothing substantial to add.

    Quote from: z10 on March 28, 2011, 07:52 PM
    (more than it is already?)

    Hmm, you don't strike me as the kind of guy to be remotely bothered about all that nonsense.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #7 - March 28, 2011, 08:05 PM
    I wonder who would win the negative zapping score -  Armanduck, DH, or AhmadBagat ?
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #8 - March 28, 2011, 08:06 PM
    The way to have higher quality posts is to post higher quality posts and encourage others to do the same.  I'm on another forum, a gambling forum, which you would think would have terrible quality posts but people post political treatises, long detailed researched posts etc because it has a lot of self motivated people who set the bar high.

    That popularity system in IA is a cesspool of popularism and Islamic rah rahs.  It has little to do with how articulated the post is. One poster in there asked why my reputation was positive and other responded that I must have said something good about Islam, which tells you all you need to know.

    I think a +1 or a cursory look at posts will tell you who the " good" posters are.

    I do like that you want higher quality posts though and I'm going to work on mine.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #9 - March 28, 2011, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 28, 2011, 07:58 PM
    That is the problem, but no I certainly dont want this to happen.  Other problem is that groups will form too.  Perhaps it is a bad idea.  tbh I was looking at it more from the angle of motivating the higher quality posts.

    Quote from: Ishina on March 28, 2011, 08:03 PM
    Oftentimes I have felt like showing I agree or expressing approval to a good post, but have nothing substantial to add.
    Hmm, you don't strike me as the kind of guy to be remotely bothered about all that nonsense.


    my comments were tongue in cheek guys, I guess lack of smileys strikes again  lipsrsealed
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #10 - March 28, 2011, 08:09 PM
    Having used forums that have rep systems... it's a bad idea. Besides, you don't need to see 'liked by 12 people' on a post to decide for yourself whether it's a good post or not.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #11 - March 28, 2011, 08:10 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 28, 2011, 08:03 PM
    Oftentimes I have felt like showing I agree or expressing approval to a good post, but have nothing substantial to add.

    Yes, that too  Afro
    (see what I did here up - on facebook a tick would have been easier & less effort)

    Perhaps facebook have got the right strategy, with no negative marking, just positive ticks per post rather than per user.
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #12 - March 28, 2011, 08:12 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on March 28, 2011, 08:09 PM
    Having used forums that have rep systems... it's a bad idea.

    how come?
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #13 - March 28, 2011, 08:12 PM
    Quote from: z10 on March 28, 2011, 08:07 PM
    my comments were tongue in cheek guys, I guess lack of smileys strikes again  lipsrsealed

    We do not tolerate humour in this organisation, z10.
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #14 - March 28, 2011, 08:26 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 28, 2011, 08:12 PM
    how come?


    Briefly - You could at first see who had repped you, so it just descended it to a war of revenge repping. They got rid of that, but problems still persist. People will a high rep stay high, regardless of subsequent post quality. People with low/negative rep get neg repped far more frequently. Most reps/point given are positive, so you just end up with a load of people with high rep whose rep just keeps increasing, and a load of people with neg reps who take the brunt of all the neg reps dished out. And if repping power is proportional to rep status, it exacerbates the problem.

    I guess you could have a system only for individual posts, but what's the point? This isn't youtube. We can make our own minds up on a discussion, rather than giving people who hide behind a veneer of self-assurance and pretension and rhetoric more reason to continue spouting off on every issue.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #15 - March 28, 2011, 09:18 PM
    Good points, I agree.  I suppose the only thing that might still work is the facebook tick system.

    First of all is it workable and not much effort to do, otherwise there is no point even discussing it!
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #16 - March 28, 2011, 09:41 PM
    There are two issues mixed up here: Agree/Disagree buttons, and a reputation system.

    I think Agree/Disagree buttons would be a neat addition for the reason I mentioned. I'm not fussed about a reputation system. I'm here to share thoughts, not score brownie points, and I can see how a rep system would be problematic.

    My 2c
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #17 - March 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
    My 2c is that rep systems always end up being a bad idea, for the reasons already mentioned. I'm not in favour of a rep system here, although back when we did have one it was hilarious for a day or two (admins can mega edit people's rep hey grin12 ).

    The Like button would maybe be ok. Personally I find them more of an affectation than a benefit, but I don't really have anything against them.
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #18 - March 28, 2011, 11:22 PM
    Yea an anonymous "like button" only wouldn't be too bad, though I can't really see the point.  It is up to each person to interprete each post how s/he likes.  The main reason for a like button in Facebook is to share information between separate entities ( news feeds).  A forum doesn't really need it because it is a localized dispersion of information, something that doesn't exist in Facebook and hence the need of a way to transmit information.  To me it is an innocuous and small incentive towards group-think and tribalism and an innocuous and small barrier to independent thought, something that should be highly stressed. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #19 - March 28, 2011, 11:26 PM
    Ishina is awesome.

    5 Users Agreed: osmanthus, Cheetah, deusvult, Islame, z10
    1 User Disagreed: Prince Spinoza
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #20 - March 28, 2011, 11:28 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 28, 2011, 11:26 PM
    Ishina is awesome.

    5 Users Agreed: osmanthus, Cheetah, deusvult, Islame, z10
    1 User Disagreed: Prince Spinoza

    there's no disagree button

    Quote from: deusvult on March 28, 2011, 11:22 PM
    Yea an anonymous "like button" only wouldn't be too bad, though I can't really see the point.  It is up to each person to interprete each post how s/he likes.  The main reason for a like button in Facebook is to share information between separate entities ( news feeds).  A forum doesn't really need it because it is a localized dispersion of information, something that doesn't exist in Facebook and hence the need of a way to transmit information.  To me it is an innocuous and small incentive towards group-think and tribalism and an innocuous and small barrier to independent thought, something that should be highly stressed.  

    I think if you come from a culture of Facebooking, then you get used it.

    e.g. when I read your post I found myself agreeing for it, and at the end thinking spot on and mentally reaching out for the scroll pad to click the tick - but it wasnt there so here I would just ignore it.

    I guess there's no huge demand for it so it certainly wouldnt be worth considering more given the time & effort it would take [/thread]
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #21 - March 29, 2011, 03:39 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on March 28, 2011, 11:22 PM
    Yea an anonymous "like button" only wouldn't be too bad, though I can't really see the point.  It is up to each person to interprete each post how s/he likes.  The main reason for a like button in Facebook is to share information between separate entities ( news feeds).  A forum doesn't really need it because it is a localized dispersion of information, something that doesn't exist in Facebook and hence the need of a way to transmit information.  To me it is an innocuous and small incentive towards group-think and tribalism and an innocuous and small barrier to independent thought, something that should be highly stressed.  


    I would agree with this, though I'll add that a 'like-this-post' system would probably at least make members put more effort into their posts. But I still think on the whole we are better off without it.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #22 - March 29, 2011, 03:42 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 28, 2011, 11:28 PM
    there's no disagree button

    There's no agree button either.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #23 - March 29, 2011, 03:53 PM
    There is.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #24 - March 29, 2011, 03:56 PM
    Where?
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #25 - March 29, 2011, 03:58 PM
    There.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #26 - March 29, 2011, 04:22 PM
    Where on the stairs?
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #27 - March 29, 2011, 04:36 PM
    I am undecided on these issues, I can see the pro's & con's.  All I am saying is that the powers that be in their ivory towers at facebook (and other popular networking sites) after all their research deem it as useful. 

    And they are not stupid.  After all their research, despite its disadvantages, overall they realise it increases the popularity of the site. And here I agree with Facebook.

    I dont think this is the kind of decision that should be made members here, its a higher level decison so I'll leave it as it is. 

    If its easy & already installed within the forum software, then I suggest doing a week trial & taking it from there, even perhaps doing a poll afterwards to see what members thought. 
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  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #28 - March 29, 2011, 08:40 PM
    I do like the facebook 'like' suggestion.

    I'm more of a reader than a contributor on this forum. I often agree with some posters here but often don't have anything interesting to add to the topic too. Perhaps there are also other silent readers like me.
  • Re: Like that comment/ Reputation/ RepPower
     Reply #29 - March 29, 2011, 09:15 PM
    Good point - as you can usually see from the people who are visible online vs members who post each day,  its quite clear that there are far more people  who read than contribute.  I think that would make them feel as part of the experience too.

    Just to make it doubly clear, we're suggesting a like button just like it operates in facebook.  You get the number of likes to the post, & when you hover over it  the names of those who liked it.
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