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  • "Thighing" - WTF?
     OP - April 08, 2010, 06:22 PM

    "Thighing" is an Islamic practice still followed today even in Muslim communities in the U.S. and Britain:

    Regarding the practice of "thighing", the masterbating between the legs of a female infant or actually sodomizing her, Islamic clerics have this to say:

    Pedophilia decrees from www.islamic-fatwa.net

    Question 1809

    After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question forwarded by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/5/1453 and 7/5/1421 (Islamic calendar)

    Question: ‘It has become widespread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children. (mufa’khathat - literally translated, it means “placing between the thighs” which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child).

    What is the opinion of scholars, knowing full well that the prophet, the peace of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her ?

    Answer: After studying the issue, the committee has answered as follows:

    As for the prophet, his thighing his fiancée Aisha when she was six years of age and not able to consummate the relationship was due to her small age. That is why the Prophet used to place his male member between her thighs and massage it, as the prophet had control of his male member not like other men.

    Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:

    "A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."

    Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

    “It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

    Ayatu Allah Al Khumaini's "Tahrir Al wasila" p. 241, issue number 12

    "Young boys or girls in full sexual effervescence are kept from getting married before they reach the legal age of majority. This is against the intention of divine laws. Why should the marriage of pubescent girls and boys be forbidden because they are still minors, when they are allowed to listen to the radio and to sexually arousing music?"

    "The Little Green Book" "Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini", Bantam Books

    MUHAMMAD, THE PROPHET OF ISLAM

    PART 1 MECCA

    An Arab is regarded as an old man, a sheik, when he is fifty.

    Muhammad married Aisha when she was six years old in Mecca and she joined him in Medina three years later when he was 53. He began having sex with Aisha when she was nine years old and still playing with dolls.

    This is the original story told by the ONLY valid biographers of Muhammad and Islam, Ibn Ishaq and Tabari, and the hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim. Refer also to the works of the Qur’an commentators Ibn Kathir and Ibn Qayyim. (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume II, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, Garnet Publishing Limited, UK. The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, 2000. pp. 93-94)
    (Ibn Qayyim Al-Juaziyyah, Zad-ul Ma’ad fi Hadyi Khairi-l ‘Ibad (Provisions for the Hereafter, From the Guidance of Allah’s Best Worshipper) translated by Jalal Abualrub, [Madinah Publishers & Distributors, December 2000] Volume I, pp. 157-158)

    Muhammad said that he had dreamed of Aisha before demanding her from her father, and his own brother in Islam, Abu Bakr, claiming special ‘prophets rights’ when Abu Bakr was reluctant to give her to him.

    Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235: Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dreams. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and someone said to me, 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."

    Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18: Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother!"

    The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

    Marriage to a female already offered to another was illegal in Arab law. Abu Bakr had already arranged for Aisha to marry Djubayr Mutim.

    Muhammad married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of six and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad) translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, p. 792)
    Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”

    Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.” [The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community] translated by M.V. McDonald annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 6-7) (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany 1990], Volume IX, pp. 129-130)

    Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.
    Source(s):
    http://islam-the-monster-unchained.blogs

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    I already had a pretty low view of Muhammad's sexual behaviour.... but if true, this would take the biscuit! Never come across it before, can anyone shed any light on it?
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #1 - April 08, 2010, 06:29 PM

    i know of two boys.. not boys anymore..
    victims of 'thighing'... never knew it actually had a name.. anyhow..
    quick and simple...
    yes .. it happens.. one occured in saudi arabia.. the other in jordan..
    and both times ignored like it never happened..
    now because it was ignored..  noone knew why these men did this.. if they thought their actions were somehow justified by religion
    but because it was ignored.. makes me think.. it was justified by religion.. or at least in everyone else's mind..
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #2 - April 08, 2010, 06:36 PM


    The ancient Greeks used to do that to young boys.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #3 - April 08, 2010, 06:37 PM

    I don't get why they allow sodomising, isn't that strictly forbidden?
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #4 - April 08, 2010, 06:48 PM

    The first fatwa is false. I don't know about the rest.
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #5 - April 08, 2010, 06:56 PM

    Ahhhh just noticed this-
    "The Little Green Book" "Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini", Bantam Books

    That Ayotollah is fucked up, he also allows sex with animals from what I can remember. You can disregard the first fatwa. It's not acknowledged as valid in the Islamic community.
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #6 - April 08, 2010, 06:57 PM

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9479.msg248244;topicseen#new

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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #7 - April 08, 2010, 10:42 PM

    I have a nice big tree in front of my house. I also have a nice strong rope in my garage. If someone allows me I will tie my rope  around above mentioned Ayatollah's  balls  and hang him upside down with my tree.



    watch this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKqYNkkK9Xg&feature=PlayList&p=7B281D178B9CA433&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=137
     
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #8 - April 08, 2010, 11:12 PM

    i love you iffo

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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #9 - April 09, 2010, 12:19 AM

    i love you iffo


    Enough to want to thigh him  Huh?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #10 - April 09, 2010, 01:45 AM

    perhaps not that much

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #11 - April 09, 2010, 03:24 AM

    I have a nice big tree in front of my house. I also have a nice strong rope in my garage. If someone allows me I will tie my rope  around above mentioned Ayatollah's  balls  and hang him upside down with my tree.

    I think Khoemini's problem was that he didn't have any balls. That was why he always looked so grumpy.

    If you think your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself.
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #12 - April 09, 2010, 08:37 AM

    Oh come on, Muhammad (salla walla halla) thighing a 6 six year old girl? Don't be ridiculous!

    Like any man with a shred of self decency Muhammd waited until she was 9 and then put his penis inside her vagina. Roll Eyes
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #13 - April 09, 2010, 09:37 AM

    In fairness though, it is an Arab/Middle Eastern custom.

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #14 - April 09, 2010, 10:41 AM

    Wah... how... i mean... waaaah?!

    How is that arousing in any fucking way?! I mean, WHAT?! Words fail me!  finmad

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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #15 - April 13, 2010, 10:03 AM

    Oh come on, Muhammad (salla walla halla) thighing a 6 six year old girl? Don't be ridiculous!

    Like any man with a shred of self decency Muhammd waited until she was 9 and then put his penis inside her vagina. Roll Eyes


    That's cause he didn't want to shag a baldy Tongue
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #16 - April 13, 2010, 10:14 AM

    Muhammad (salla walla halla)




     Cheesy

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #17 - April 13, 2010, 10:18 AM

    (salla walla halla) Cheesy


    I think I've actually used that in a video somewhere Smiley
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #18 - April 13, 2010, 10:37 AM

    In fairness though, it is an Arab/Middle Eastern custom.


    I never heard of such a thing all my life until I saw it mentioned on the internet.

    Dear Ex-Muslim, Hell doesn't exist. It's an absurd & wicked fiction. You're not a bad person for rejecting something that's cruel, irrational, unjust & lacks evidence. You have nothing to fear. Nothing to feel ashamed about. Enjoy your life. Do the best you can. Make yourself & others happy.
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #19 - April 13, 2010, 10:39 AM

    In fairness though, it is an Arab/Middle Eastern custom.


    Yeah, let's be fair.  How could a man in direct contact with the creator of the universe and ultimate law giver possibly know that this commonly practised custom was wrong?
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #20 - April 13, 2010, 10:44 AM

    Thighing Discussion

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_FJRpbknc&feature=related

    Watch carefully around 3.5 minutes

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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #21 - April 13, 2010, 10:52 AM

    I never heard of such a thing all my life until I saw it mentioned on the internet.

    It dates back to ancient Rome and Greece too, although in those cases it usually wasn't done to young girls.

    If you think your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself.
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #22 - April 13, 2010, 10:52 AM

    And for that  Ghada Jamsheer threatened, media ban continues, her home reportedly put under surveillance by state security agents

    http://www.ifex.org/bahrain/2009/02/06/women_s_rights_activist_ghada_jamsheer/

    also read about that brave soul at

    http://saudiamber.blogspot.com/2008/05/letter-from-ghada-jamsheer-to-president.html

     http://www.ifex.org/gender_and_sexuality/2007/10/16/women_s_rights_defender_forbidden/

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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #23 - April 13, 2010, 10:56 AM

    Yeah, let's be fair.  How could a man in direct contact with the creator of the universe and ultimate law giver possibly know that this commonly practised custom was wrong?


    Assuming that one believes that Muhammad had contact with the divine every minute/second of the day thus he is the most perfect, most infallible most awesome person who has ever existed as some Muslims claim. Then again, some claim that Muhammad was merely a human with human faults and a product of his environment - but so far I find that the former is more dominant than the later.

    Side issue though; I can't believe people condemn homosexuality between consenting adults but don't batter an eyelid when thighing is mentioned. Reminds me of a hypocritical asshole my father knew on a course who was condemning homosexuality as a product of the 'decadent west' and when my father posed the question "what would you do if your son tuned out to be homosexual", the only thing he could say was, "Oh, well, that would be different". Hypocritical fucks - the whole lot of them.

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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #24 - April 13, 2010, 10:59 AM


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    which country is thighing of 6 years old legal in?  Is it true, as well as sex with animals?

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  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #25 - April 13, 2010, 11:05 AM

    Here's a thread on the topic we had a t rd.net.

    At least the Fatwa mentioned in the OP seems to be manipulated.

    http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?p=1552792#p1552792
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #26 - April 13, 2010, 11:07 AM

    Yeah, let's be fair.  How could a man in direct contact with the creator of the universe and ultimate law giver possibly know that this commonly practised custom was wrong?


    lol... and that for me sums up the real problem with Islam.

    Dear Ex-Muslim, Hell doesn't exist. It's an absurd & wicked fiction. You're not a bad person for rejecting something that's cruel, irrational, unjust & lacks evidence. You have nothing to fear. Nothing to feel ashamed about. Enjoy your life. Do the best you can. Make yourself & others happy.
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #27 - April 13, 2010, 11:16 AM

    lol... and that for me sums up the real problem with Islam.


    It sums up the Aisha argument too.  Sure it was common for the time, and I have no personal interest in that one case.  However medical research in the USA shows that girls under the age of 14 are twice as likely to experience a miscarriage than someone 10 years older.  Considering God made this the case obviously God knows it is the case, so...

    1: God told Muhammad to fuck a child.
    2: God told everyone to do what Muhammad did, and therefore permitted them to fuck children.
    3: God told everyone not to make illegal what God has made lawful for them, so it can never change.
    4: And this was all to fulfil God's evil plan to make little girls experience the emotional trauma of experiencing miscarriages.

    Yeah, right.

    The guy up the road said "But they used to have sex with babies back then. Muhammad's example showed them they must wait until they are 9, KNOWING that over time society would increase that age. He couldn't just put it straight up to 14 or something because people would not have accepted it"

    At which point I pointed out to him that Allah immediately banned
    1: Worshipping what they believed were gods with power over their very lives.
    2: Gambling, which was probably a popular pastime.
    3: Alcohol, which was certainly a popular pastime.

    (Extremely irritated sarcasm mode : On)
    Sure, people are willing to give all those up in a shot, but to ask them to stop fucking children? Noooo, that's just asking TOO much!  There's no way on Earth an all-powerful being could possibly persuade people to stop doing that.
    (Extremely irritated sarcasm mode : Off)
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #28 - April 13, 2010, 10:46 PM

    Thighing Discussion

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_FJRpbknc&feature=related

    Watch carefully around 3.5 minutes

    God I love that woman.
  • Re: "Thighing" - WTF?
     Reply #29 - April 14, 2010, 12:34 AM

    I heard about this thighing however its in terms of when your wife is having her period and you still wanna have sex with her

    Fight on the Oppression my fellow Ex Muslims!!!
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