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  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #120 - July 10, 2010, 08:58 PM
    Joke time.  dance

    Raoul Moat walks into a bar.

    No idea what happened next, all the potential witnesses were found frantically clambering out the back window.

    Sorry, I know that joke wasnt RaoulMoat'ly funny
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  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #121 - July 10, 2010, 09:00 PM
     Cheesy That cheesy yet clever pun at the end made the joke for me!
    fuck you
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #122 - July 10, 2010, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on July 10, 2010, 08:58 PM
    Sorry, I know that joke wasnt RaoulMoat'ly funny


    Bwahahahahaaa!
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  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #123 - July 10, 2010, 10:00 PM
    this has got to be the  mother of all thread hijacks. Perhaps getting a room would assist ? Afro
    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #124 - July 10, 2010, 10:01 PM
     Cheesy Sorry, man.
    fuck you
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #125 - July 10, 2010, 10:08 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 10, 2010, 07:45 PM

    I've made my position on this issue and my personal moral code crystal clear several times in this thread, but you keep harping at it so you can do like everyone else here and tell me what a bad person I am and/or how fucked up my morality is.



    Because I believe that for an overwhelming majority of the time, the conscience of all human beings in existence are inclined towards the same abstract moral values. An overwhelming majority of our moral disagreements are disputes over how to implement or what the implications are of these abstract moral values. In my view, the way you regard the police as "the enemy of all things good" is unrealistic. It's the non-moral specifics of the situation that make it look like we're having a moral disagreement.

    In your view, we all have consciences that point in different moral directions, giving us a different set of intuitive, abstract moral values and that therefore there is no room for normative ethical discussion. In your eyes such a discussion can only go as far as person A telling us what his moral opinions are and person B telling us what his moral opinions are. That's nihilistic, subjectivist, but most of all, totally unrealistic. Human beings have managed to debate meaningfully about moral issues for as long as recorded human history itself. If your view of morality was correct, none of this would have happened, or at least not so much of it.
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  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #126 - July 10, 2010, 10:08 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 10, 2010, 08:30 PM
    Yeah, and you think where I stand is that I do not value human life. I do not believe this is true, I just think that the state, as currently constituted, in every country in the world, to varying degrees, is an extremely oppressive and illegitimate institution, and my personal morality dictates that I will not assist the armed agents of such an institution apprehend its own citizens, be those citizens good or bad, unless I believe there are extraordinary circumstances that morally demand it.


    Right, and this isn't one of them, I getcha.

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    I do not believe those circumstances existed in this case. I understand that following such a moral code may entail negative consequences-- but I've always had a naturally more deontological ethical stance than a consequentialist one.


    Cool.

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    But if given a choice between living free and living safe, yes, I will pick freedom every fucking time.


    That's also cool.

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    If you think that means I have less value for human life than someone who would be more inclined to choose safety, maybe you're right, maybe you aren't, but either way I'm comfortable with my moral code and so are those who know me in the real world because they know I'll stand up for them even at my own peril.


    I think you have less value for human life than most people actually.

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    And to me that matters a hell of a lot more than abstract moral philosophizing online with people I've never met.


    Yeah I get it. You care so little what we think that you have to keep constantly reminding us that you don't care what we think.
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #127 - July 10, 2010, 10:14 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 10, 2010, 08:30 PM
    But if given a choice between living free and living safe, yes, I will pick freedom every fucking time.


    I guess the freedom of his victims (not just those who were in the police) are already forgotten then.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #128 - July 10, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on July 10, 2010, 10:08 PM
    Because I believe that for an overwhelming majority of the time, the conscience of all human beings in existence are inclined towards the same abstract moral values. An overwhelming majority of our moral disagreements are disputes over how to implement or what the implications are of these abstract moral values. In my view, the way you regard the police as "the enemy of all things good" is unrealistic. It's the non-moral specifics of the situation that make it look like we're having a moral disagreement.

    In your view, we all have consciences that point in different moral directions, giving us a different set of intuitive, abstract moral values and that therefore there is no room for normative ethical discussion. In your eyes such a discussion can only go as far as person A telling us what his moral opinions are and person B telling us what his moral opinions are. That's nihilistic, subjectivist, but most of all, totally unrealistic. Human beings have managed to debate meaningfully about moral issues for as long as recorded human history itself. If your view of morality was correct, none of this would have happened, or at least not so much of it.


    Thanks for returning the discussion to a more polite and respectful tone. I believe your characterization of my beliefs is incorrect, based on some faulty inferences combined with some admittedly mixed signals/inconsistencies from me. I actually do believe in objective ethics, and have argued for them elsewhere here on this forum

    But I will not elaborate further at this time as I'm done with this topic. I know where I stand on this and debating it has led to nothing but acrimony and frustration. I'm done.

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 10, 2010, 10:08 PM
    Yeah I get it. You care so little what we think that you have to keep constantly reminding us that you don't care what we think.


    Yeah I get it. You're a dick.

    Quote from: J4m3z on July 10, 2010, 10:14 PM
    I guess the freedom of his victims (not just those who were in the police) are already forgotten then.


     Roll Eyes Perhaps I spoke too soon. Couldn't resist, could ya?
    fuck you
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #129 - July 10, 2010, 10:26 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 10, 2010, 10:21 PM

    Yeah I get it. You're a dick.



    If only. :/
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #130 - July 10, 2010, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 10, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Roll Eyes Perhaps I spoke too soon. Couldn't resist, could ya?


    Don't get me wrong, I have zero respect for you as a person and I attach no value of any kind whatsoever to a single word you write. But I do have respect for the discussion at hand.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #131 - July 10, 2010, 10:29 PM
    James leave it. (Lost beckons)
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #132 - July 10, 2010, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on July 10, 2010, 10:28 PM
    Don't get me wrong, I have zero respect for you as a person and I attach no value of any kind whatsoever to a single word you write.


    The feeling's mutual, fuckface.
    fuck you
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #133 - July 10, 2010, 10:46 PM
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  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #134 - July 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on July 10, 2010, 10:08 PM
    In my view, the way you regard the police as "the enemy of all things good" is unrealistic.

    How about "the enemy of (almost) all things good"? Sounds more reasonable to me.

    I've known police officers personally (as family friends) when I was younger, and know that whilst they don't always agree with the law they feel compelled to implement it; which is the primary reason I can't trust them and don't really respect them (at least in uniform). I've witnessed situations where the police have helped people, which generally could have been achieved by anyone who cared enough to help (giving directions or checking an old person who's stopped on the pavement is ok). The again, I've been in numerous situations where the police have come in mob-handed and created a situation that set me firmly against them (on demo's or nights out). Bottom line is that they represent state power and authority, why would I view them with any less suspicion or mistrust than that I have for the state itself?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlhA22MHWOo
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  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #135 - July 10, 2010, 11:07 PM
    Quote from: thinkfree on July 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
    How about "the enemy of (almost) all things good"? Sounds more reasonable to me.

    I've known police officers personally (as family friends) when I was younger, and know that whilst they don't always agree with the law they feel compelled to implement it; which is the primary reason I can't trust them and don't really respect them (at least in uniform). I've witnessed situations where the police have helped people, which generally could have been achieved by anyone who cared enough to help (giving directions or checking an old person who's stopped on the pavement is ok). The again, I've been in numerous situations where the police have come in mob-handed and created a situation that set me firmly against them (on demo's or nights out). Bottom line is that they represent state power and authority, why would I view them with any less suspicion or mistrust than that I have for the state itself?


    Agreed.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlhA22MHWOo


    Being a fan of skinhead/streetpunk and being an anti-authoritarian leftist, I've always wanted to like the Oppressed and especially that song (didn't click play, but I assume it's A.C.A.B.)-- but, eh...not so much. Sadly the bands that lean right or are totally apolitical in that genre (The Business, Combat 84, Blitz, Cockney Rejects, etc.) made the best music.
    fuck you
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #136 - July 10, 2010, 11:26 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 10, 2010, 11:07 PM
    Being a fan of skinhead/streetpunk and being an anti-authoritarian leftist, I've always wanted to like the Oppressed and especially that song (didn't click play, but I assume it's A.C.A.B.)-- but, eh...not so much. Sadly the bands that lean right or are totally apolitical in that genre (The Business, Combat 84, Blitz, Cockney Rejects, etc.) made the best music.

    Correct, ACAB seemed apt. Where I grew up it was quite ethnically diverse and we all rallied around danceable music, tbh.  cool2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62UTsRQ6qY
    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #137 - July 10, 2010, 11:32 PM
    It was rap where/when I grew up. Most of the white kids were into classic rock or metal. I was the lone punk rocker, but still really loved rap. Didn't get into classic rock or metal until I was older.

    I think it's great I got a chance to grow up when commercial rap was still good, bein at the tail end of Gen X/beginning of Gen Y. Feel sorry for later Generation Y folks who grew up with post-Biggie and 2Pac crap.
    fuck you
  • Re: Raoul Moat facebook page LOL
     Reply #138 - July 10, 2010, 11:35 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 09, 2010, 01:11 PM
    Don't put words in my mouth by making leaps of logic, fucker.


    I was just pointing out how (even by your logic) that murdering somebody is one of the worst crimes and this Raoul guy killed innocent people because his gf dumped him. But you are trying to say is some "hero" and "we shouldn't rat on him" all while he already killed  and wants to kill again. (because his gf dumped him)

    Let's talk for 5 more pages about this...
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