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  • Question: When you were Muslim did you know about Taqiyyah?
  • Yes - 7 (24.1%)
  • No - 22 (75.9%)
  • Total Voters: 29

 Topic: A serious poll about Taqiyyah

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  • A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     OP - September 30, 2010, 05:12 PM

    As reactionary right wing nut jobs on the internet seem to think that Muslims are pure evil, and if they appear to be nice, they are just practicing Taqiyyah, I thought I would start this poll to see what you thought about Taqiyyah when you were Muslim.

    Comments would be appreciated!

    When I was a Muslim, I didn't even know what Taqiyyah was, as do the vast majority of Muslims I know. So to say that Muslims are all out there practicing Taqiyyah is, in my opinion, absurd.

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #1 - September 30, 2010, 05:13 PM

    Nope. I found out about it after I left Islam - first time was in fact on Ali Sina's site. The concept has no relevance to 99.9% of sunni muslims.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #2 - September 30, 2010, 05:14 PM

    By voting no, we're practising taqiyyah.  Wink

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #3 - September 30, 2010, 05:16 PM

    By voting no, we're practising taqiyyah.  Wink


    That's true. Because at the end of the day, an accusation like taqiyyah is basically unfalsifiable. Basically it's calling someone a liar, then the said accused saying he's not a liar and the accuser replying "you're a liar, so of course you'd say you're not a liar". Its a never ending cycle.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #4 - September 30, 2010, 05:22 PM

    [Taqiyyah]  When I was a Muslim, I didn't even know what was Taqiyyah  [/Taqiyyah]  whistling2

    ...
  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #5 - September 30, 2010, 05:26 PM

    I wouldn't say many muslims practice 'Taqiyah',
    but I would say that some muslims practice 'deluded Ignorant parroted rhetoric about Islam that has no statistical or objective evidence and/or value.', which is kind of like taqiyyah but just not with the same thought processes (if you can call it that) behind it.

    -"Islam means luurrvveeee and peeeacceeeee"......
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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #6 - September 30, 2010, 05:30 PM

    I knew and understood the reason behind Taqiyyah given how much persecution, violence, attacks, and imprisonments Shias faced during the Umayyad and esp. Abbasid periods of Caliphate. Being a political-religious minority always at odds with the Sunni establishment, and as a result being vulnerable to harm, they had to protect themselves their families their livelihoods and property as much as they could.

    Meaning one Shia could say he was not one if faced with a serious situation with Abbasid authorities to save himself and family. Similar to the Jew who managed to lie about being one to escape Nazi persecution. That I understood well.

    That was a reason why Taqiyya made Shia inadvertently look deceitful, untrustworthy, liars, fiendish etc (as 14 centuries of Sunni propaganda and lack of trust states time and time again...) in the eyes of other Muslims.

    On the other hand, what I also realised that looking at the history of Shia Islam, it certainly has taken a lot more pride in being open, loud, and confrontational about itself in the face of severe adversity and troubles.

    From the revolt Yazid ibn Muawiyah faced from the Shia forces of Mukhtar al-Saqafi after the news of Karbala spread across the land, to the Abu Muslim and Khurramite revolts in Iran, to the Hashashin of Hassan-e-Sabah, to the Safavid grasp of power in Iran, to Khomeini, Hezbollah, Iraq, Kurram Agency in FATA, etc. One realises that Shias, despite being a minority, have almost NEVER backed down from a confrontation, and as a result - esp. since the fall of the Abbasids - they tend to ignore Taqiyyah almost completely. To most Shia, Taqiyyah is an outdated doctrine from an era that has gone past them.

    But when I found out that Muslim-bashers had taken the Taqiyyah thing seriously without even realising what it was (probably from Ali Sina since he is an ex-Shia), I went from  Huh? to  Cheesy to  wacko to finally  Roll Eyes

    When it comes to criticism of Islam, those that have a fetish for citing Taqiyyah in their arguments look like dishonest ignorant reactionary idiots that have nothing else to say apart from their own phobias and insecurities and lack of understanding. They are as idiotic as the rabid Islamist!

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #7 - September 30, 2010, 05:34 PM

    Nope. I found out about it after I left Islam - first time was in fact on Ali Sina's site. The concept has no relevance to 99.9% of sunni muslims.


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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #8 - September 30, 2010, 05:34 PM

    For the most part, no, but I did hear about it in connection with the Shi'ah, but even that was only in the sense of protecting themselves when in a life-threatening situation. It was only when I left Islam and read sites like FFI and the rants of bigots that I heard Taqiyyah been talked about Ad nauseam.

    The claim that most Muslims are taught Taqiyyah - and in the meaning that they are allowed to lie and be devious to non-Muslims so as to conquer the world for Islam is quite simply not true.

    That is not to say some groups don't believe in forms of Taqiyyah. But it is absurd to claim that most Muslims believe in it, practise or even know about it.

    Ironically it has become well-known now through the rants of bigots and right-wing Christian groups.

    Had Taqiyyah been a common - let alone an important - concept in Islam - I would have definitely known about it thoroughly during my 50 years as a Muslim and studying it and practising it.

    But of course I'm just a lying Taqiyya Tactician.



  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #9 - September 30, 2010, 05:40 PM

    It is of course a great way to dehumanise Muslims.

    They smile nicely and 'pretend' to be friendly, but really want to kill your babies and suck their blood out!
  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #10 - September 30, 2010, 06:04 PM

    .
  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #11 - September 30, 2010, 06:14 PM

    I had no idea about it, and had never even heard the word until after I left Islam. I did know about the thing where it's ok to pretend to not be a Muslim if your life is at stake, but I had no idea it was part of a full on concept. I just thought it was one of those little "this is permissible" things, like how seafood doesn't need to be ritually slaughtered etc.

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #12 - September 30, 2010, 06:43 PM

    It's not like Islam was ever true to begin with.

    Mohammed was a true Taqiya Fu master.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #13 - September 30, 2010, 08:40 PM

    Did Mo ever lie i.e. officially according to Islamic literature carry out Taqqiya? 

    That would provide a strong case either for or against, but I dont know the answer  Huh?

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #14 - September 30, 2010, 08:42 PM

    I mean lie according to official reality.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #15 - September 30, 2010, 09:21 PM

    I knew and understood the reason behind Taqiyyah given how much persecution, violence, attacks, and imprisonments Shias faced during the Umayyad and esp. Abbasid periods of Caliphate. Being a political-religious minority always at odds with the Sunni establishment, and as a result being vulnerable to harm, they had to protect themselves their families their livelihoods and property as much as they could.

    Meaning one Shia could say he was not one if faced with a serious situation with Abbasid authorities to save himself and family. Similar to the Jew who managed to lie about being one to escape Nazi persecution. That I understood well.

    That was a reason why Taqiyya made Shia inadvertently look deceitful, untrustworthy, liars, fiendish etc (as 14 centuries of Sunni propaganda and lack of trust states time and time again...) in the eyes of other Muslims.

    Fascinating.

    When I knew these Indian Muslims, there was one family people claimed was Shi'a.

    Most of us considered Shiites to be kuffar.

    We didn't ask them if they were, and they didn't tell.

    They kept to themselves. Perhaps that constitutes a case of Taqiyya?


    When it comes to criticism of Islam, those that have a fetish for citing Taqiyyah in their arguments look like dishonest ignorant reactionary idiots that have nothing else to say apart from their own phobias and insecurities and lack of understanding. They are as idiotic as the rabid Islamist!

    yes

    But of course I'm just a lying Taqiyya Tactician.

    You must be part of sheikh Obama's tactical Taqiyaa force.  Roll Eyes


    It's not like Islam was ever true to begin with.

    Mohammed was a true Taqiya Fu master.

    Cheesy

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #16 - October 01, 2010, 12:11 AM

    I'm sure I first heard about it on this site (like many other things  Tongue), and I now know more about it from reading this thread (thanks atheist.pk!).  Embarrassed

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #17 - October 01, 2010, 12:16 AM

    I knew and understood the reason behind Taqiyyah given how much persecution, violence, attacks, and imprisonments Shias faced during the Umayyad and esp. Abbasid periods of Caliphate. Being a political-religious minority always at odds with the Sunni establishment, and as a result being vulnerable to harm, they had to protect themselves their families their livelihoods and property as much as they could.

    So there's no hadith about Taqqiya?  If thats true then I really wish people would stop inventing lies about Islam, as it negates from all the good work we do when addressing the real foibles in Islam

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #18 - October 01, 2010, 12:58 AM

    When I was a Muslim I never heard of the word Taqiyya, or even the concept of lying in order to fool non-Muslims (except if your life is in danger then you can hide your Muslim faith).

    As far as I was concerned, there was nothing wrong with Islam so I had nothing to lie about.

    The moment I discovered the stupid, barbaric aspects of Islam I didn't attempt to rationalise them or lie about them infront of non-Muslims.  I decided to reject and denounce the religon and to stop believing in the religion full stop.

    .
  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #19 - October 01, 2010, 07:19 AM

    No never heard of it when growing up. But unconsciously it is expected to say the best things about Islam even if you did not know all the facts. You know Islam is perfect its just that Muslims aren't.

    Maybe its the same with all religions.

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #20 - October 01, 2010, 07:23 AM

    So there's no hadith about Taqqiya?  If thats true then I really wish people would stop inventing lies about Islam, as it negates from all the good work we do when addressing the real foibles in Islam


    There is the hadith where Muhammad sends Maslama to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf. Maslama asks the prophet if its ok to speak to Ashraf in anyway he liked and Muhammad gave his permission.

    Sahih Muslim 19:4436 – The Messenger of Allah said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah and His Messenger. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. Maslama said: Permit me to talk to him in the way I deem fit. He said: Talk as you like. So, Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: The Prophet has made up his mind to collect charity from us and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. Ka'b said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? Ka'b said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? Ka'b said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you our weapons. Ka'b said: All right. Then Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. Ka'b came down to them. His wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. Maslama said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. When he came down they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. Maslama said: Allow me to smell. Ka'b said: Yes, you may smell. He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #21 - October 01, 2010, 08:19 AM

    Is that the best they got  Huh?

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #22 - October 01, 2010, 09:25 AM

    Most of us considered Shiites to be kuffar.

    We didn't ask them if they were, and they didn't tell.

    They kept to themselves. Perhaps that constitutes a case of Taqiyya?


    Taqiyya = Dont ask, dont tell.

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  • Re: A serious poll about Taqiyyah
     Reply #23 - October 03, 2010, 01:47 AM

    When I was a Muslim I never heard of the word Taqiyya, or even the concept of lying in order to fool non-Muslims (except if your life is in danger then you can hide your Muslim faith).

    +1
    I too had never heard of the word Taqiyya until after apostasy.  By the way, I was a Deobandi (sunni) Muslim, surrounded by religious/learned Muslims since childhood.

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