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  • How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     OP - December 14, 2010, 02:24 PM

    I'm really curious about the number of galaxies out there and I'll make a proposition: How about we imagine that every galaxy is a grain of sand? If that were so, how much sand would there be? I mean, how big a beach/desert would that be? wacko

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #1 - December 14, 2010, 03:15 PM

    I wouldn't like to do the maths. Current estimates vary from 125 to 400 billion galaxies in the observable universe.

    From NASA:

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    Your inquiry is definitely in the minds of many scientists who are trying to obtain a good estimate for the number of galaxies in the universe. The methods used to achieve such number varies, and therefore, the results would vary, too. Also, as new and improved technology becomes available, astronomers can detect fainter objects that were not seen before. These objects that have come into view will in turn change the estimated number of galaxies.

    For example, in 1999 the Hubble Space Telescope estimated that there were 125 billion galaxies in the universe, and recently with the new camera HST has observed 3,000 visible galaxies, which is twice as much as they observed before with the old camera. We're emphasizing "visible" because observations with radio telescopes, infrared cameras, x-ray cameras, etc. would detect other galaxies that are not detected by Hubble. As observations keep on going and astronomers explore more of our universe, the number of galaxies detected will increase.


    Here is the formula for grains of sand on earths beaches: http://www.hawaii.edu/suremath/jsand.html

    7.5 X 10^18, whatever that is. Thats just the beaches. There is more sand in the Sahara than in all the beaches of earth.

    Good luck.

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #2 - December 14, 2010, 03:24 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lqsG9_ughU

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #3 - December 14, 2010, 03:54 PM

    It's rather difficult to put an estimate on the number of galaxies out there, but it's definitely in the billions.



    The picture above might help you. This picture was taken by the HST. Hubble was pointed at a portion of a sky which was considered empty, they were in for a surprise. There are ~10,000 galaxies in this image. The area of the sky imaged is almost as small as the area you'd see if you were looking through a straw. What was considered to be a dark and empty patch of sky turned out to be full of galaxies. Every point of light in this image is a galaxy filled with billions of stars. This image alone transformed our understanding of the universe.

    Well, that might help you visualise the number of galaxies out there.
  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #4 - December 14, 2010, 06:04 PM

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #5 - December 14, 2010, 06:21 PM

    If you're interested in cosmology and astronomy, Sal Khan recently came out with a video series that explains a lot of this stuff here:

    http://www.khanacademy.org/?video=intergalactic-scale#Cosmology%20and%20Astronomy

    This video talks about intergalactic scale:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiE_kNk3ucI

  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #6 - December 14, 2010, 07:38 PM

     Thinking hard
  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #7 - December 14, 2010, 08:13 PM

    \What you see in the images of the Hubble Space telescope is only a glimpse of the true extent of how many galaxies actually exist.

    Truely amazing stuff.

    If we do somehow ascertain how many galaxies there are in the universe,then how many stars exist if we were to count them as grains of sand?

    I'm thinking the whole of Brighton, Bournemouth, Torquay and Exeter pier and beaches put together, at least.

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #8 - December 15, 2010, 04:50 AM

    Thanks telomeme that was wonderful. Perhaps if we considered stars as sand particles, the sand on Earth probably wouldn't be enough!  jawdrop

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #9 - December 15, 2010, 03:55 PM

    Well, the estimated number of stars in the universe might be three times more than previously expected. A recent study found that a certain type of star known as a red dwarf is more plentiful in galaxies than expected. They found that there are 20 times more red dwarfs. This finding is so astounding that it actually triples the estimated number of stars in the universe from 100 sextillion (10^21) to 300 sextillion.

    So, if the sands weren't enough before, they're certainly not enough now.

    http://keckobservatory.org/news/discovery_triples_total_number_of_stars_in_universe/

  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #10 - December 15, 2010, 06:06 PM

    Thank you J. Very enlightening indeed Smiley

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #11 - December 15, 2010, 07:43 PM

    So J. do you think that other forms of life are out there? How long do you think before we'll actually know?

  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #12 - December 16, 2010, 06:03 AM

    Unless we discover some sort of warp drive or something that travels by wormholes, whatever these are (light speed's too slow lol) it will be very hard to know.

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #13 - December 16, 2010, 06:06 AM

    For us.

    The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.
  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #14 - December 16, 2010, 06:18 AM

    It's rather difficult to put an estimate on the number of galaxies out there, but it's definitely in the billions.

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    The picture above might help you. This picture was taken by the HST. Hubble was pointed at a portion of a sky which was considered empty, they were in for a surprise. There are ~10,000 galaxies in this image. The area of the sky imaged is almost as small as the area you'd see if you were looking through a straw. What was considered to be a dark and empty patch of sky turned out to be full of galaxies. Every point of light in this image is a galaxy filled with billions of stars. This image alone transformed our understanding of the universe.

    Well, that might help you visualise the number of galaxies out there.



    Wow!

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  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #15 - December 16, 2010, 06:26 AM

    So J. do you think that other forms of life are out there? How long do you think before we'll actually know?





    Well, if by other forms of life you mean microbial life, then yes. We have to look no further than the solar system to find it.  We’ve got several places within The Solar System which can harbour microbial life. Places like Mars, Enceladus, Titan and Europa can easily support microbial life.

    Titan, a moon of Saturn, is one of the most interesting places in The Solar System. It’s the only moon with a thick atmosphere and its chemistry is very similar to that of prebiotic-Earth. It even has liquid hydrocarbon lakes! Nearly 20 percent of the surface is covered with lakes of methane and ethane. Titan has all the right ingredients to start life. http://www.universetoday.com/75271/titan%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-could-produce-building-blocks-of-life/ We only have to find out if it has.  Any life that may arise on Titan will be different from Earth. It would probably be some methane-based life form.  We’ve seen some interesting things going on Titan; hydrogen and acetylene are being depleted at the surface of Titan. One solid explanation for the phenomena is that methane-based life forms are eating them at the surface [http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005Icar..178..274M ]. But it isn’t the only explanation. We can’t be absolutely certain that this is being caused by life until we’ve ruled out all of the other possible explanations.

    There’s intriguing stuff going on Mars as well. There is – I forgot how many tons exactly, but the number is in hundreds – tons of excess methane in the Martian atmosphere. Methane should only last for two years or so in the Martian atmosphere. There is a seasonal change in the levels of methane, the highest concentrations are seen during the warmest months and lowest concentrations are seen during the colder months. So, there’s something at the surface of Mars that’s replenishing the methane on Mars, there are two possible explanations for this. One is that there a geological process, such as volcanic out gassing, releasing the methane from the core. The second explanation is a bit more exciting than the first one; a biological process going on at the surface of Mars is replenishing the methane, like methanogens. The area with the highest concentrations of methane is a volcanic region called Tharsis. It is possible that there could be some geological activity going on which marks the presence of hot springs and hydrothermal vents, these are the places that we find methnogens on here on Earth. So, it could be both or it could just be one. We have to study this further to find out what it is.

    We can’t claim that we have found life on Mars and Titan until we actually go there and get some samples.  But what we’re finding out through these secondary means is very exciting.

    Back on Earth, we’re discovering life where it shouldn’t be. Extremophiles are redefining places we call inhabitable. We’re finding isolated ecospheres where life is thriving, like this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desulforudis_audaxviator. We’re finding that life isn’t as fragile as we thought. It’s very resilient once it gets going. The exoplanet count is above 500. There are more than 700 exoplanets discovered by the Kepler mission alone, but they’re not added to the total count of the planets because the team is double checking the data. That gives us a lot of different ecospheres to choose from and I think it’s quite likely that one of them has microbial life.
  • Re: How can we comprehend the number of galaxies?
     Reply #16 - December 16, 2010, 04:52 PM

    Excellent stuff J. Very interesting. Keep it up  Wink
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