New Video: "Is the Qur'an a Miracle."

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Re: New Video: "Is the Qur'an a Miracle."
Reply #30 - March 21, 2011, 04:25 PM

Superb video, Hassan!
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Reply #31 - March 21, 2011, 04:48 PM

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i suppose that's an 'an hero' reference there rather than a grammar fail.

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Reply #32 - March 21, 2011, 05:33 PM

Quote from: nj7 on March 21, 2011, 04:17 PM
Great vid Hassan!

Has anyone here done this already? I think it says their mods only publish around 1 in 5 submitted new discussion threads, so maybe therationalizer is a good person to ask (maybe he'll see this). He's had quite a few threads published there.

If in several days I don't see it appear there posted by someone else I'll have a go (I'm not great at wording things, so best if someone else tries first, I think).

Please do post it on the Dawkins forum - and post a link here if you can.
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Reply #33 - March 21, 2011, 05:36 PM

brilliant vid Hassan! thank you for your effort

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Reply #34 - March 21, 2011, 08:43 PM

Well this is what I put (if it gets published I'll post a link in this thread):

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The "miraculous" eloquence of the Qur'an

When an English speaker questions the claim that the Qur'an is a work of miraculous poetic beauty, a common Muslim response is that if only they could read it in the original Arabic, they would think again.

Well, an ex-Muslim Arabic speaker from the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain has just published an excellent youtube video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHm2xigkBc][1] undermining the claim that the Arabic Qur'an is a work of divine eloquence.

The second half of the video demolishes the other main pillar of belief that the Qur'an is a miracle - that it reveals scientific knowledge ahead of its time. One of the unusual things about that part of the video is how it highlights clear missed opportunities in the Qur'an for Allah to demonstrate his omniscience.

It makes me wonder if undermining the crediblity of the Qur'an as a supernatural text, particularly by Arabic speaking ex-muslims, could be the best way to weaken Islam.

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHm2xigkBc "Is the Qur'an a Miracle."

I hope that's not too bad. I almost send myself to sleep the way I write! The footnote thing is just to do with their text editor - in the preview the link is all in the main text. I included the last sentence as something contentious to further help meet their guidelines that it should stimulate discussion. It says it normally takes 2-3 days to appear if the moderators choose it, so we might have to be a bit patient. Sorry in advance if it doesn't do the trick, but fingers crossed. Someone else could always have a go.

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Reply #35 - March 21, 2011, 10:04 PM

Nice one - thanks
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Reply #36 - March 21, 2011, 10:10 PM

I am just posting to add my voice to the chorus of praise, an important and brilliant video!

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Reply #37 - March 21, 2011, 10:20 PM

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so what about the babckbone & ribs? are you both suggesting that all 3 of the main translators, and a lot more, got it wrong?

Again, translations are partly a translation of commonly accepted (Sunni) Tafsir.

As to why the Tafsir accepted the *backbone and ribs* as the most likely one, it's probably because they found the obvious Tafsir (man starting off from an ejaculate coming out of a frigging penis) too humiliating (even though it's true).

Probably they found the Quran's reference to the penis as the starting point of our coming into being, a bit too offensive.

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Reply #38 - March 21, 2011, 10:26 PM

Hassan

The boiling water reference was a killer.

The pictures of all those kids with Quran's at the end is really sad (especially the small girls wearin hijab)

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #39 - March 21, 2011, 10:29 PM

Honestly,- I can NOT imagine a Muslim not being embarrassed when you talk about the "boiling water" issue.. Really, the whole attitude of "better believe it or I will torture you" is extremely petty, stupid, childish, immature..

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Reply #40 - March 21, 2011, 10:41 PM

Quote from: billy on March 21, 2011, 10:26 PM
Hassan

The boiling water reference was a killer.

The pictures of all those kids with Quran's at the end is really sad (especially the small girls wearin hijab)

That was a last minute addition when I saw High Octane quote what Baal said and thought: "Yeah! Great point!"

I miss Baal - we had our huge differences, but I really liked the guy despite everything - can't we let him back in? (Assuming he wants to come back that is.)
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Reply #41 - March 21, 2011, 10:47 PM

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I miss Baal - we had our huge differences, but I really liked the guy despite everything - can't we let him back in? (Assuming he wants to come back that is.)

you make it sound as if he was banned.

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Reply #42 - March 21, 2011, 11:03 PM
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Reply #43 - March 23, 2011, 02:56 AM

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Reply #44 - March 23, 2011, 11:25 AM

Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 23, 2011, 02:56 AM
I enjoyed this. A thousand flowers Hassan. You know what is next after the flowers don't you?

Something like 'tumbling together in the hay with gay abandon' I suspect.
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Re: New Video: "Is the Qur'an a Miracle."
Reply #45 - March 23, 2011, 11:50 AM

What an amazing video Hassan - well done! That last part almost brought tears to my eyes.
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Reply #46 - March 23, 2011, 12:52 PM

Thanks BD - yeah I was going to finish with how Muslims can't look at the Qur'an critically and rationally because of their emotional attachment and the fact that they start from the premise that the Qur'an is true and this became part of their consciousness at a time when they were too young to resist.

But I thought - enough talk - do it with pics/music instead lol

Seems to have worked as quite a few said the same thing.
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Reply #47 - March 23, 2011, 05:32 PM

Success!

It's on the richard dawkins site as of today http://richarddawkins.net/discussions/605533-the-miraculous-eloquence-of-the-qur-an

They don't seem to update the discussion list that often so should be there for a few days I'd think. Lets hope you get loads more views Hassan!

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Re: New Video: "Is the Qur'an a Miracle."
Reply #48 - March 23, 2011, 05:34 PM

Nice one - thanks
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Reply #49 - March 23, 2011, 07:00 PM

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Reply #50 - March 23, 2011, 07:01 PM

lol
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