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  • I left Islam in here's my story
     OP - May 07, 2011, 10:21 AM

    I was born in Indonesia, raised by a relatively religious, moderate muslim couples. They are actually good parents and they have their own quirks, but they're relatively good at taking care of my Sis and me. They teach me Qur'an, they're not being hardcore jihadist, and all that. I'm quite thankful my Qur'an reading is not to be ashamed of although it's pretty bland.

    So, of course that makes me think that: "If I'm taught this relatively good, so why do I still have passion to the same sex?". That's the question I've been having since I was in Middle High. Yes folks, I'm gay and I realized how I like to see boy since i was in 2nd year in elementary school. I'm no camp, though. I know I don't flame and it's enough for my friend to befriend me if they don't know better.

    "Oh no, not gay!" you might think. But, actually, that what makes me think further. I know I've been living a pious life, reading Qur'an, do good things and all that. but why did I have a wet dream about guys all the time? My Dad never harasses me and Mom is relatively not making me act like a baby or something. And with keeping such doubt, I keep going to Islamic High School and dorm, with hope that I could cure this illness. That didn't work. All the reading, all the religious life and pretty much normal blending to the dorm students don't help me "straighten up".

    So I went to college and had my first umra. I prayed and prayed even in the spot which is said to be guaranteed to make your wish come true. It didn't work. My sexual instinct got worse. A couple of months later, I went umra again and I even thought to cut my testicle off. I cooled down and didn't do it. And in the 3rd umrah couple of months later, I was pretty skeptical as I know it wouldn't happen anyway.

    In meantime I was living my life, I was being a total moderate person. I'm not a really person who loves to live a midnight party. I'm pretty much a simple guy. But after so much finding in the Quran and Hadith, I keep asking "Why is with the torment? Why is with the beautiful-eye virgins? I don't need it!". My questions widened, and not just to homosexual aspects. And I start to think, "This is just a thought of a... heterosexual human being, not a word of God, unless it's homophobic or a misogynist,". ...especially when I read hadith about "Hell will be filled mostly by women". It made me think "Lucky I was born as a man,". But then I think again... "Waittaminute, why WOMEN!?". This is the point I start to think in the other side...

    With how religion and politics take over my country, it made me ask "What would happen to other sects if Islam was "foreseen" to be in 70 sects and only one sect would be right WITHOUT anyone knowing?". I've tried to ask politely to the elders, bu their answers are purely dogmatic, or else, "Allah works in mysterious way". It's REALLY not satisfying. With my up-and-down faith, it seems there's no differences when I was being pious or not. And then since I entered Art College, I met various type of person and I started to think that "How could these colorful people will be judged as "Muslim and Non-MusliM; Period!"?". And eventually I started losing faith.

    Since last year, I haven't done Friday Prayers. And as far as I know, you miss it three times in a row, and you're not muslim anymore. I guess I couldn't care less. I still have my luck and bad luck as if thing never happens. There's also the case when my parents got ill in different time, but even without my prayer, they healed! Because they were taken care in the hospital! I have been neglecting lot of what a good muslim should do in that phase. It was quite a way to find out that ... all i have done is just pure random luck mixed with wishful thinking.

    Thanks to internet, and faithfreedom, I found another questions which I have never had guts to ask. Since then, I felt like I'm being used by religion, especially the way how my kind of people are treated in the Middle East, the "center" of Islam! And God does not do anything about this! How could be this thing called justice!? I started to run out of patience. I still remember how Muhammad's grandson was killed because it was against whoever rules Mecca that time. It's between TWO kind of MUSLIM! How the hell it happened to the religion of peace? If Allah is really Muhammad's "lover", why did it LET it be!?

    I started being misotheist around a year ago and I was easily ticked off is somebody said good things about my religion. I was full of anger and I would have a cynical comment which might sparked a debate until whoever it was would be silent for being unable to answer me. It's just until recently I have cooled down to be a more-or-less atheist. It opens my eyes to read some... shocking hadith I haven't read before. I could claim it's a "fake" hadith, but I also have read some of them which is quite familiar because I've read them when I was a kid. So I guess the disgustingly-sounding Hadith is not a lie, but the government CHERRY-PICKED for me, or else they were just as ignorant as I was.

    ...which oddly, whatever I found makes sense with the culture of THAT time, which of course isn't applicable now. i can't say anything about the followers. I have tried to defend Islam once, but I guess it will be useless unless they started to perceive criticism in a better, openly way, which won't happen anytime soon. I don't want to be grouped with this religion anymore, and I have denounced Islam. My Dad seemed prefer to cover his ears, Mom and Sis are obviously not supporting it, but things have been cooling down now, oddly. I have a boyfriend now, whose islam a kind of "liberal". I won't force him to atheism anyway. It's his right to have a religion and I won't do the same thing like the militant do. I just need to be someone who might need to answer his question if he feels stuck.

    In short, I have to say: Yes, I'm out of Islam because I'm born gay and i really feel Islam with its homophobic feeling is not for me. But being gay that opened my minds to something else. I don't want to do something and hide behind "God's Words", I do what I feel right to do. If god doesn't appreciate me on that, well, it's not being "just". What differs me now with other people is just "I don't believe in god", and I do NOT force anyone to NOT believe in god either.
  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #1 - May 07, 2011, 10:36 AM

    Hi there,

    you express yourself clearly and perfectly!!

    Thank you for sharing your story, its a very brave act you have done!!

    all the best!!

     bunny bunny bunny

    Beyonce was right; If you like it then you probably should put a ring on it. Tongue
  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #2 - May 07, 2011, 11:20 AM

    Welcome Rovan, good to have you on board.

     It's a very captivating journey you've been on, and thanks for taking us through it so well. You obviously know this by now, but homosexuality is not an illness. I feel so sorry for you that you tried so hard to find a cure, religious or otherwise. The fact that you did that, shows me that you are a man filled with good. You then tried to reconcile this goodness inside you with your islamic perception of homosexuality, and I can only imagine at the turmoil and torture you went through in attempting this process.

    I an so glad that you now have been released from the urge you had to comply with what is essentially a homophobic and misogynist religion, as you eloquently put it. I laughed out loud when you described how you were no longer a muslim if you missed three friday prayers, but that 'you guessed that  you couldn't care less anymore'. Nicely put mate.

    Reading your second to last paragraph filled me with a lot of respect for you. You still are a very good man, despite the loss of your religion and despite everything it has put you through. I, for one, am proud to have you on this side.

    Hi
  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #3 - May 07, 2011, 01:52 PM


    And I start to think, "This is just a thought of a... heterosexual human being, not a word of God, unless it's homophobic or a misogynist,". ...especially when I read hadith about "Hell will be filled mostly by women". It made me think "Lucky I was born as a man,". But then I think again... "Waittaminute, why WOMEN!?". This is the point I start to think in the other side...



    This was always the aspect of Islam i was never comfortable with while i was a muslim, and it definitely didn't stand a single justification no matter how hard a person tries.


    "Oh no, not gay!" you might think.


    You will never find such line of thinking here i assure you grin12


     My Dad seemed prefer to cover his ears, Mom and Sis are obviously not supporting it, but things have been cooling down now, oddly. I have a boyfriend now, whose islam a kind of "liberal". I won't force him to atheism anyway. It's his right to have a religion and I won't do the same thing like the militant do. I just need to be someone who might need to answer his question if he feels stuck.


    Tell us more about how you came out to your parents? have you come out as a homosexual as well? Are you safe where you are living? I tihnk you have immense courage to do what you have done, haven't enjoyed reading someone's bio a much as yours, most definitely truely unique in its own sense. In all honesty if God exists then he's misses out on the great people who prove to be way better humans than any religious person will ever be.


    Welcom to our haven Cemb Rovan far away hug

    here's your well deserved parrot : parrot
  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #4 - May 07, 2011, 03:28 PM

    This was always the aspect of Islam i was never comfortable with while i was a muslim, and it definitely didn't stand a single justification no matter how hard a person tries.

    Tell us more about how you came out to your parents? have you come out as a homosexual as well? Are you safe where you are living? I tihnk you have immense courage to do what you have done, haven't enjoyed reading someone's bio a much as yours, most definitely truely unique in its own sense. In all honesty if God exists then he's misses out on the great people who prove to be way better humans than any religious person will ever be.


    Well, if I tried to see from the other angle, you'll see that some quotes are very disturbing and pretty much unfair. Especially when I read it all in hadiths.

    Firstly, I came out to my Sis when i was in High School. As expected, she didn't outright reject but tried to persuade me back. I came out to my Mom when I was in the college, and she said she had already known. But it doesn't stop them to sometimes preach me to go back and even to the point that my Mom yelled that I got possessed by a djinn or something. For someone who got "possessed", I was awfully quiet and reasonable...

    I often open up as being misotheist/atheist in Facebook, Sis (and his husband) often warned me. Mom doesn't have FB but she knew it from my Sis, and she often went hysterical or sobbing about I got punishment from god or something.

    When Mom, Sis and I discussed this openly (of couse with the drama) and Mom is scared that I would get what I "deserve", I ask politely. "Mom, I never have a drag race, i never go clubbing, I never scold you unless you scold me _FIRST_ and I always do whatever you want me to help, I don't even do drugs! So if this god is so fair, he's gonna punish me for what? If he has a problem, let him go down here and let me have a chat with it. I don't want to involve you two!"..

    My Sis argue that, "If you become an apostate, we have nothing to do with you anymore!".
    I replied, "If you cut our relationship just because of this religion, i still say you're my sister, whatever happens,".

    I said this clearly, "No djinn, no satanic posession, as you see, I'm as calm as I can be, and if god has a problem with me, I don't blame ANY of you because of this. I don't involve you, this is my responsibility, by my thought, and as long as we don't disturb each other, things will get along just fine!". My Mom still feels I'm still to be saved, but Sis has thought this better and told Mom to let me go. Since then, I've been feeling much better. Things have been cooling down since then. It's still hard to erase the "imaginary hell" though. Damn doctrine...

    Oh, my Dad? He prefers "Lalalalala I dunno what you're talking about so just shut up and let's talk something else!". He prefers avoiding open-talking like this. He doesn't want to debate. So, just for the sake of respect, I don't tell or argue anything with him. If it makes him feel better, fine, I still do shalat and anything religious... in front of him. Mom says she has told Dad that I don't do shalat anymore, but since he never tells it to me, so I guess he doesn't want to talk about it. Fine.

    He even once asked, "Why don't you marry?". I answered bluntly, "I'm not interested!".  I might have given him a white lie. I could have answered it with " ... not interested with woman!" or "still searching for a guy!", but I don't want to make a trouble. If he really wants to know, it should be on his own risk for asking it. I dunno if he reads between the line, but hopefully, I hope so.




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  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #5 - May 07, 2011, 04:16 PM

    I have a boyfriend now

    Good for you. I hope the relationship goes well.

    My sister (the only religious one of four children) stopped being a Christian because, however decently she lived her life, she was always going to "fall short of God's ideal".



    (Falling short of God's ideal is the Anglican church's equivalent of stoning by the way.)
  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #6 - May 07, 2011, 04:23 PM

    welcome Rovan! An interesting read. Sad muslims dont realize that the sexuality found in islam is just the mirror of ancient beduin traditions. a man can marry a little girl, marry multiple women, nullify marriages and take wives, but two men who love each other cannot be together.

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #7 - May 07, 2011, 06:09 PM

    Welcome Rovan - thanks for sharing.
  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #8 - May 07, 2011, 06:52 PM

    Hi and welcome Rovan!

    Here is another parrot for you:





  • Re: I left Islam in here's my story
     Reply #9 - May 07, 2011, 07:19 PM

    welcome to the dark side Smiley have another parrot  parrot

    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

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