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  • I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     OP - July 08, 2011, 03:44 AM

    I am Turkish, born and grew up in Turkey. My parents are Muslim, their parents were Muslim, bla bla, you know the story. I didn't convert to Islam or anything. I found myself as a Muslim. They told me that I am a Muslim, the beloved subject of God and that it is the best thing that can happen to a human. At first, I didn't have any problem with that. On the contrary, I was happy to be encircled by this so-called love, which I found out soon enough that it wasn't free and that it comes with so many duties and so on, to be the one God loves and will favor in the afterlife.

    But during my teenage years, I started to get uncomfortable with Islam since so many things didn't make any sense. Whenever I raised a question, they tried to shut me down by saying that I was risking my faith and I might end up in hell. My mother is a very religious person, my father was the same, now he just doesn't say it out loud but I don't think he cares about Islam at all, you wouldn't call him a Muslim. In my situation, you need to know some about the political and social conditions in my country. But this is another topic, a long one too. To cut it short, lets say Turkey is one of those countries -perhaps the number 1 on the list - which is predominantly Muslim yet the hardest country to live your life a as a Muslim. You are ignored, dismissed, hated, bullied, prevented from studying in university or working in government offices etc. This mission is mostly carried out by a minority group which includes many top officials at all kind of government levels, army, the ordinary public who believes they own the country. Their influence is significant despite their smaller numbers.

    Of course I had the advantages of living in a  so-called "modern Muslim" country, unlike people in Iran, Pakistan etc. I had more freedom. Anyways. I started to wear hijab as soon as I turned into a woman. I hated it as soon as I started wearing, I was still a child who was running on the streets, playing football with boys and I never made sense of the piece of cloth covering my beautiful hair as if it was something I should be ashamed of. Nobody forced me to wear it tho. This is bullshit, I was smoothly made to believe that it was my own will, that it has always been so, but the truth is, it wasn't my own choice. I was forced to wear it and live my life accordingly. And during this period, nobody gave a shit about my questions, or they provided some really stupid irrational answers whenever they answered. During my late teenager years, as my problems related to Islam grew, I tried to solve it by believing that the problem was my faith; it wasn't strong enough and my nafs was so huge that I craved for an worldly life and this is why I was questioning. In university my problem got more serious, also due to not being allowed to wear my hijab at school --an interesting case about Turkey.

    But mind you! don't think that my only problem was hijab. Not at all. It was the foremost problem since everyday I go out on street or making a social/business related contact with anyone, I was making a statement and declaration of my Muslim identity. Whether I wanted it or not, this was the case. What I read, watch, eat, think, etc didn't matter,  I was standing there with the "Hey I am a Muslim" label on my face. It was worse because of the hatred in Turkey. The Muslims themselves were bothering me as well. They were telling me stories, fairy tales and expecting me to believe them without a doubt. How could I not use my rationality, which they claimed is God's gift to us humans? Your rationalization was ok as long as it supported, praised Islam and Allah and Quran. You would be considered a very smart person if your smarts helps you believe in Allah. The lies they told themselves and to others made me feel really bad, and angry so many times.  Let me get to the point or I won't be able to rap this up Smiley

    Then my faith began deteriorating more and more every day. At some point I even prayed (!) "God, wish there was some way not to believe, to find out that Islam is not true" This didn't work out too. Then I asked my self: "why am I believing? Why I am having this huge fight with my rationality, my ideas?Why I have to suffer like this?" Because I was raised a Muslim, because they that tell me that there is God and he wants us to do what we try to do. Then I asked: "How do I know this is true?" Because they told so, because I would burn for eternity if I don't believe. I am sure you can all guess how I struggled and that my first attempt was to try to save my faith, try to shut the voice of my rationality down, what questions I asked etc. Then I arrived at the point where I could believe no more. I couldn't lie to my self anymore, it was simple, I wasn't believing. All my conscious was yelling me that I was fooled, brainwashed and what they claim cannot be true.

     There was only one thing left to do. To say it out loud to myself. Then my significant other, who has become an atheist long before me Smiley, asked me: "Are you afraid to tell, to accept it?" I said "Yes." "Say it". Then I broke off my fasting with a glass of water -- I forced myself to fast in order to fix this situation Tongue cos I was still trying to make myself forget this divergence to avoid the problems that would be awaiting me in the future and the idea of an eternal life, being able to live forever is tempting as you would agree-- and I said: "Yes I don't believe in any religion, not a Muslim anymore"  This sounds silly but this is how it happened Smiley and the rest followed like a flood, it was there already, I was never at peace with the concept of religion, I just had to admit to myself. As for God, I don't think he exists, but maybe even if there is a Creator, he isn't what religions claim him to be, he is a neutral entity that doesn't give a crap about anything.

    As to why I am very pissed off..Simple: I am still forced to live like a Muslim in in many ways, can't tell anyone except my close friends. I can't tell my mom because she might have a heart attack. I could easily tell her if I knew that she would forget about me, or ignore me or dislike me. But she would blame herself and keep crying until she ends up in grave. Other would make her life miserable because of me. I live my life the way I truly believe whenever possible, but this lie, secrecy makes me so angry; not only on a personal basis, but every aspect. I hate it when people force each other like this, they claim something and behave like something else, never letting other be, I hate the hypocrisy, hate the fact that I have to hide my true self and live in secrecy as if I am some sort of criminal, as if I am harming anyone. Here in Turkey we have a moderate Islam, so my life is relatively easier since I am able to do so many things that I normally couldn't if I and my family etc were more strict --for ex. "woman shouldn't work" concept. Still I am expected to do many and not to do so many things as long as I look and act like a Muslim. So I don't think this can go on like this, I will have to make a declaration; and soon as the level of my anger indicates Smiley I might leave my country, don't know yet. I have to do something about this while I am still young and have some years to live hopefully. But I also have to say that at least I have this source of great happiness that my other half is a great atheist  dance and we share a secret which sometimes offers some fun such as debating about Islam with others, or getting pissed off together   Smiley

    Pfff this is too long, sorry for that and for the sudden jumps between subjects.

    Cheers

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #1 - July 08, 2011, 04:23 AM

    Got through the first paragraph. Need to get sleep. Will read the rest tomorrow. Welcome again. Btw, I was also lucky to be born where I was born: in a communist country with a "bright tomorrow" free from horrors of rotten capitalism Smiley
     far away hug


    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #2 - July 08, 2011, 04:38 AM

    Morning Madame X Smiley
    Nice to meet you.
    Here is your complimentary parrot  parrot

    Your story is ofcourse very typical around here (having to pretend to be a muslim for socially hypocritical reasons) So you should have alot to talk about with fellow members (Except the forum is generally empty around this time, so try to get on later so you can meet more people here  Smiley )

    See you on the forum.
    Take care.
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #3 - July 08, 2011, 04:46 AM

    Welcome Madame X! Smiley I can very much relate to your anger. I had to live in the closet for a while as an exmuslim, which was pretty difficult. I hope you like it here!

    And here is your customary parrot!  parrot  grin12

    Have a nice day.

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #4 - July 08, 2011, 05:31 AM

    Welcome Madame X. Sorry about having to keep your apostasy to yourself, but it is something that most of us have to face anyways Wink

     turnipovich instead of the parrot Tongue



    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #5 - July 08, 2011, 05:40 AM

    Thanks for all the welcomes Smiley Yeah Kod, unfortunately we have to live with that. But who knows until when, heheh, I am having some courageous plans -minor plans tho - after reading some posts, we will see what happens. But I have to say I am proud to be an apostate only regretting that it didn't happen earlier. Kod whatever you send instead of a parrot, it is cuter than the parrot Tongue it looks like an onion with some killer hair style  Tongue and an angry one too ahahah

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #6 - July 08, 2011, 07:26 AM

    Hey Madame.  Smiley

    Nice intro.

    I deeply empathize with your not being able to stand keeping your apostasy secret. A lot of us here do.
    Don't we have the right to show our true selves just like anyone else? Of course we do.

    I think while it's the harder thing to do, and will bear more consequences, that telling our muslim family and friends is actually the better choice. So good luck to you and I hope you figure out the how and when.

    And it's great that you have a sig other who is already atheist too.  dance In a muslim country, I guess that would deem you lucky.  Smiley

     parrot

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #7 - July 08, 2011, 07:31 AM

    lol yepp aint I lucky? he is hot too:P so it makes my  luck such a "creame de la creame"  grin12

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #8 - July 08, 2011, 12:45 PM

    Welcome parrot

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #9 - July 09, 2011, 11:27 PM

    Madame X,

    I say don't tell your mom. Love between parents and children should be more important than beliefs, no matter what islam says on the subject. You are already lucky that you and your significant other are on the same level.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #10 - July 09, 2011, 11:41 PM

    signwelcome how did you bump into this place?

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  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #11 - July 10, 2011, 12:51 AM

    Found it through google while i was particularly looking for apostates like myself. Have followed the site for months and finally became a member after overcoming my lazy arse

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #12 - July 10, 2011, 01:31 AM

    Found it through google ..........

    Greetings and welcome to apostate den Madame X ., You write so well,  I am curious do all collage educated folks in Turkey are as fluent as you in English dear Madame X?

    I had a wonderful web friend "The MadTurk"., the guy was a very strong supporter of  Fethullah Gülen.. I used to tell him wait until Gülen dies  you will have Egyptian  Brothelhood running Gülen left over movement.. lol..

    Anyway I am so glad to read some one from Turkey..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #13 - July 10, 2011, 01:59 AM

    Oh and just so you know who you dealing with here: Yeez iz insane but means well, Islame is MI6 but sometimes has good points nonetheless, Peppermint is pretty new but seems cool to me, migthy_cats is an asshole (and not an ex-muslim like yeez) and I don't know much about Herring, Naija and Solara. Most other regulars probably gave up on congratulating newbs since the forum has so many of them while a lot of great forumers have left this place and you will never ever meet them because you procrastinated for 6 months to join.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #14 - July 10, 2011, 04:14 AM

    Welcome to Coem Mademe X.
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #15 - July 10, 2011, 04:32 AM

    robin from teen titans !!

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #16 - July 10, 2011, 07:15 PM

    Greetings and welcome to apostate den Madame X ., You write so well,  I am curious do all collage educated folks in Turkey are as fluent as you in English dear Madame X?

    I had a wonderful web friend "The MadTurk"., the guy was a very strong supporter of  Fethullah Gülen.. I used to tell him wait until Gülen dies  you will have Egyptian  Brothelhood running Gülen left over movement.. lol..

    Anyway I am so glad to read some one from Turkey..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
     


    Thank you Yeez. My English is thanks to the good education I have received but still have a lot improve, actually if it were in Turkish I could have better explained myself. I hope to find more Turkish infidels like myself in the near future:D

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #17 - July 10, 2011, 07:18 PM

    Oh and I have never been a part of the Gülen movement, had some problems due to not being one of them in the past. But I can tell you that they are the best group in the Muslim world in terms of moderate Islam, as best as any Muslim can be Tongue Not that I want them to expand Islam! 

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #18 - July 10, 2011, 07:20 PM

    Madame X,

    I say don't tell your mom. Love between parents and children should be more important than beliefs, no matter what islam says on the subject. You are already lucky that you and your significant other are on the same level.


    Alex, for now I dont have any plans to cause any pains to my Mom, her story is different, she did so much for me and I am the only thing she has in life, so yeah it is a huge burden on my shoulders. I will try to protect her from any sorrow as much as possible but cant help asking what about me..She cant even stand me wanting to take the hijab off yet alone explaining her my apostasy. So we 'll see, I wont tell her about that but maybe she will have to deal with me being less "muslim".

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #19 - July 10, 2011, 07:21 PM

    Welcome to Coem Mademe X.


    Thanks Smiley

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #20 - July 10, 2011, 07:24 PM

    Oh and just so you know who you dealing with here: Yeez iz insane but means well, Islame is MI6 but sometimes has good points nonetheless, Peppermint is pretty new but seems cool to me, migthy_cats is an asshole (and not an ex-muslim like yeez) and I don't know much about Herring, Naija and Solara. Most other regulars probably gave up on congratulating newbs since the forum has so many of them while a lot of great forumers have left this place and you will never ever meet them because you procrastinated for 6 months to join.


    ahhah thank you, I will know everyone in time but sorry to have missed some cool guys, yet I am sure there is plenty more cool people out here Cheesy  I had some chat with Naija on the chat, she seems cool. But knowing the anti-infidel agents might be helpful tho, i dont want to cross paths with them since I already am surrounded by them in real life, boooo..

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #21 - July 10, 2011, 07:25 PM

    robin from teen titans !!


    sorry dont follow what this means, but i take it as a unique greeting and thank you for that Tongue

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #22 - July 10, 2011, 07:29 PM

    ^think it was directed at Eternity
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #23 - July 10, 2011, 08:01 PM

    oh, oki Smiley

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #24 - July 10, 2011, 08:50 PM

    Hai there Madame X
    Just curious, what did you study at uni?

    Btw, I was also lucky to be born where I was born: in a communist country with a "bright tomorrow" free from horrors of rotten capitalism Smiley

     Cheesy

    I had some chat with Naija on the chat, she seems cool.

    ROFL
    Naija possesses a penis.


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  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #25 - July 10, 2011, 08:54 PM

    pff keep confusing people, will get better in time. sorry naija, didnt wanna offend your manhood Cheesy


    God = King of Despots
  • Re: I am a newbie here and this is how I left Islam
     Reply #26 - July 10, 2011, 08:57 PM

    Hai there Madame X
    Just curious, what did you study at uni?
     Cheesy
    ROFL
    Naija possesses a penis.




    Jema, I studied history.

    God = King of Despots
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