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  • The Switch of Transition
     OP - July 22, 2011, 08:05 PM

    Hello everyone,

    I'm Yemeni from, well, Yemen, and of Yemeni parents. I was born and raised there my whole life (over quarter a century now). I (involuntarily) fall into the 99.98% Muslim majority in Yemen.

    I spent most of my life believing in Islam; praying all prayers and doing Islamic math by the end of each day (counting Sayeaat and Hasanat).. I even used to have a Sajda in my forehead at my late teenage.

    Thinking hard

    Now I'm enjoying agnosticism.

    What turned on the switch? This area is dedicated to answering that by portraying some of my experiences while transitioning from a devout Muslim to a devout agnostic. Care to follow? Stay tuned Smiley



    24/7 EDIT: To make this article easy to follow, I'll post each story both here and as a new reply.



    June 24th, 2011
    Chapter 1
    Allah is the Lord of the Rings


    When I was a child, and like most of Yemeni young children back in time, me and my friends were used to go to the mosque in the evenings to attend Islamic lessons. We made small groups of around 5 - 15 persons each, where each groups is lead by an older guy who we called "teacher" and who delivers the lessons. Each group is formed like a ring, thus we called these study groups "Halaqaat (Rings)." Even in rural areas, where young children might not get a chance to go to school, they never missed the chance to attend one of these Rings.

    As children, we were easy to manipulate. As time had passed by, we accumulated keen knowledge about Halaal and Haraam from these Rings, besides the essential knowledge poured by the Muslim society. Different from what we study in schools, this knowledge was applied. We were used to live the details of our lives and judge people based on it.

    Being a young Muslim, I believed that Allah existed (period). Many cassettes, small booklets and leaflets that originated from Saudi Arabia titled "Atheism Debunks" that allege to be the "Sharp Drawn Sword that Shuts up Atheists Reasoning" were handed out to us through the Rings. I haven't really wasted my time reading/listening to these, because I thought "Since Allah exists, why even bothering trying to prove it?" Nevertheless, those Wahhani mind-shapers do have popularity among a lot of people.

    Children grow up, and one decided to become mutinous and leave Islam. But he keeps it to himself, because he concluded that Allah is a public opinion that squashes all other opinions; his opinions. Allah is no more than an applied, collective and distributed ideology that resides in Muslims minds. Allah starts as a mind-seed implanted by the parents, and those aforementioned Rings, alongside other false intellectual supplements, grow him up.

    つづく...

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #1 - July 22, 2011, 08:10 PM

    Welcome to the forum, Yemeni, and good that you found us! First have a parrot  parrot. Like from every new member we are curious about where you live, what made you an apostate, and why you are calling yourself an agnost instead of an Atheist. Enjoy your stay!

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #2 - July 22, 2011, 08:13 PM

    Welcome to the forum Smiley. I shall indeed stay tuned to hear about your intellectual journey! I've been beaten to the first parrot, so have a pig instead... piggy
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #3 - July 22, 2011, 08:23 PM

    You are welcome Yemeni, i would be more interested to read your blog and learn more. Smiley

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #4 - July 22, 2011, 08:37 PM

    Welcome to the forum, Yemeni, and good that you found us! First have a parrot  parrot. Like from every new member we are curious about where you live, what made you an apostate, and why you are calling yourself an agnost instead of an Atheist. Enjoy your stay!

    Ahoy Hallakuf! I'm grateful for your post  Smiley

    Your first and second questions will be answered gradually throughout this post, however for your third question:

    why you are calling yourself an agnost instead of an Atheist?

    For some reason I can't digest the idea of "nothing created the universe." However, I really don't care about Its existence.

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #5 - July 22, 2011, 08:44 PM

    You're right about that. In fact it is IMO not of any importance which or who started the Universe. It has nothing to do with us here, let alone that it controls us personally. So Atheist or Agnost are very close, and the difference is relatively unimportant  Wink

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #6 - July 22, 2011, 08:47 PM

    Welcome, Yemeni - and Kudos!

    I know how hard it is for Yemeni's to escape the emotional and cultural attachment to Islam as I was married to a Yemeni woman. Very intelligent and educated person, but simply shuts her mind when I try to reason with her about Islam.
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #7 - July 22, 2011, 09:00 PM

    Welcome to the forum Smiley. I shall indeed stay tuned to hear about your intellectual journey! I've been beaten to the first parrot, so have a pig instead... piggy

    Hey yourself chris Smiley glad you'll be attending my classes Roll Eyes

    welcome, I see you finally got out of the Shoutbox and posted something.
    Oh and agnosticism rocks, seriously it is so fucking easier to just say I have no idea  Afro

    Merhaba Lara91, the Shoutbox has its own charm to keep me locked-in for sometime!

    You are welcome Yemeni, i would be more interested to read your blog and learn more. Smiley

    Yo there Nija Infidel (a.k.a. Enemy of Allah), welcome abroad Smiley

    ***

    By the way, who is (are) the technical admin(s) in this forum?

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #8 - July 22, 2011, 09:15 PM

    You're right about that. In fact it is IMO not of any importance which or who started the Universe. It has nothing to do with us here, let alone that it controls us personally. So Atheist or Agnost are very close, and the difference is relatively unimportant  Wink

    Looking at the full part of the glass Smiley

    Welcome, Yemeni - and Kudos!

    I know how hard it is for Yemeni's to escape the emotional and cultural attachment to Islam as I was married to a Yemeni woman. Very intelligent and educated person, but simply shuts her mind when I try to reason with her about Islam.

    Thank you Hassan *rose*. In my experience, most of people will go emotional, if not terrified, when it comes to questioning religion. I think this is healthy, but what is unhealthy is deciding the whole life experience based on religion, and this is what is (unsurprisingly) happening in my society. I have a short story about this which I'll post later.

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #9 - July 22, 2011, 09:58 PM

    Welcome to our humble abode, Yemeni. victory

    I like your avatar. (i.e. Yemen's flag with the FSM pic in the middle). Afro dance

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #10 - July 22, 2011, 10:15 PM

    Welcome. bunny

    Finally a thread to talk to you on rather than the shoutbox.
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #11 - July 22, 2011, 11:07 PM

    Welcome to our humble abode, Yemeni. victory

    I like your avatar. (i.e. Yemen's flag with the FSM pic in the middle). Afro dance

    Salute comrade,

    Glad you liked my avatar Smiley there's actually more into it: the flag is South Yemen's flag before the unification in 1990 (that had tragic consequences, of which is the 1994 civil war).

    Pastafarianism is our salvation  worship

    Welcome. bunny

    Finally a thread to talk to you on rather than the shoutbox.

    Hello there Zaiba,
    would be glad to see you around here

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #12 - July 22, 2011, 11:17 PM

    Yeah maybe, when I'm not so fucking low, maybe when I'm not so emo. But I hope you have a good time here on Cemb.
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #13 - July 23, 2011, 06:22 AM

    welcome my Arabian comrade grin12

    here's a parrot  parrot
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #14 - July 23, 2011, 07:24 AM

    Greetings  far away hug

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #15 - July 23, 2011, 09:51 AM

    Hey Yemeni. Interesting way to make an introduction thread, but I'm glad you've finally made it.

    Looking forward to reading your journey also. Do remember to take us on it?

    Hi
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #16 - July 23, 2011, 11:12 AM

    By the way, who is (are) the technical admin(s) in this forum?


    Current Admin/Mods are Berbella, Osmanthus, Cheetah and Allat.

    The forum is funded by donations and goodwill from members (and the Rant&Rave forum who allows us to share their server). The forum is attached to the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain headed by Maryam Namazie and of which I am myself a Management Committee Member. However the forum itself is international and open to everyone.
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #17 - July 24, 2011, 12:07 AM

    ChinaDoll and Ifrit, thanks mates

    Yeah maybe, when I'm not so fucking low, maybe when I'm not so emo. But I hope you have a good time here on Cemb.

    Smiley

    Hey Yemeni. Interesting way to make an introduction thread, but I'm glad you've finally made it.

    Looking forward to reading your journey also. Do remember to take us on it?

    musivore yeah it took me sometime Roll Eyes,
    you're welcome abroad the ship!

    Current Admin/Mods are Berbella, Osmanthus, Cheetah and Allat.

    The forum is funded by donations and goodwill from members (and the Rant&Rave forum who allows us to share their server). The forum is attached to the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain headed by Maryam Namazie and of which I am myself a Management Committee Member. However the forum itself is international and open to everyone.

    Thanks for the clarification, I think I need to contact some of them.

    ****

    Let the journey begin!


    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #18 - July 24, 2011, 12:20 PM

    Chapter 1
    Allah is the Lord of the Rings


    When I was a child, and like most of Yemeni young children back in time, me and my friends were used to go to the mosque in the evenings to attend Islamic lessons. We made small groups of around 5 - 15 persons each, where each groups is lead by an older guy who we called "teacher" and who delivers the lessons. Each group is formed like a ring, thus we called these study groups "Halaqaat (Rings)." Even in rural areas, where young children might not get a chance to go to school, they never missed the chance to attend one of these Rings.

    As children, we were easy to manipulate. As time had passed by, we accumulated keen knowledge about Halaal and Haraam from these Rings, besides the essential knowledge poured by the Muslim society. Different from what we study in schools, this knowledge was applied. We were used to live the details of our lives and judge people based on it.

    Being a young Muslim, I believed that Allah existed (period). Many cassettes, small booklets and leaflets that originated from Saudi Arabia titled "Atheism Debunks" that allege to be the "Sharp Drawn Sword that Shuts up Atheists Reasoning" were handed out to us through the Rings. I haven't really wasted my time reading/listening to these, because I thought "Since Allah exists, why even bothering trying to prove it?" Nevertheless, those Wahhani mind-shapers do have popularity among a lot of people.

    Children grow up, and one decided to become mutinous and leave Islam. But he keeps it to himself, because he concluded that Allah is a public opinion that squashes all other opinions; his opinions. Allah is no more than an applied, collective and distributed ideology that resides in Muslims minds. Allah starts as a mind-seed implanted by the parents, and those aforementioned Rings, alongside other false intellectual supplements, grow him up.

    つづく...

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #19 - July 24, 2011, 05:15 PM

    Hey welcome to the forum!
    signwelcome
    I'm Yemenii as well, but living in America.
    Did you tell ur family about ur apostasy? Hows are they treating u?
    Oh and how old are you?
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #20 - July 24, 2011, 06:07 PM

    Hey welcome to the forum!
    signwelcome
    I'm Yemenii as well, but living in America.
    Did you tell ur family about ur apostasy? Hows are they treating u?
    Oh and how old are you?


    Hey yourself, Hananii the Yemenii dance

    This is my side of the story:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=16787.msg468126#msg468126

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #21 - July 24, 2011, 07:09 PM

    Welcome to the forum Yemeni! Here's a  far away hug for leaving Islam and adopting my kinda religion (Agnosticism)  Afro

    BTW, do you by any chance know where that Anwar Al-awki guy is hiding??

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #22 - July 24, 2011, 07:15 PM

    oh i love it!  I havent seen "tsu zu ku" in a looong time lol.
    Is this a yemeni/japanese soap oprah? LOL  I remember
    after each episode of any program it would say, "tsu zu ku"
    meaning "to be continued..."  (I was born/raised in tokyo btw)

    I look forward to more episodes, yemeni!

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: The Switch of Transition
     Reply #23 - July 24, 2011, 08:23 PM

    Welcome to the forum Yemeni! Here's a  far away hug for leaving Islam and adopting my kinda religion (Agnosticism)  Afro

    BTW, do you by any chance know where that Anwar Al-awki guy is hiding??

    lol no, but I think he'd most probably be hiding in Abyan governorate (read the wiki).

    oh i love it!  I havent seen "tsu zu ku" in a looong time lol.
    Is this a yemeni/japanese soap oprah? LOL  I remember
    after each episode of any program it would say, "tsu zu ku"
    meaning "to be continued..."  (I was born/raised in tokyo btw)

    I look forward to more episodes, yemeni!

    lol actually I was a fan of Grendizer; where each episode would conclude with つづく!

    keep on coming, arigato gozimashta!

    "I don't believe in god who wants to be praised." Frederich Nietzsche
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