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 Topic: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?

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  • Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     OP - August 08, 2011, 07:29 PM
    Someone sent me this - can anyone verify it?

    It certainly looks strikingly similar to the Mi'raj.


    In the Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag", written during the reign of Sassanid king Ardashir Babagan (226-240 AD), the Zoroastrian priest Arda Viraf described his journey into sky to meet his deity.

    Accompanied by an archangel Bahman, he journeyed through different levels of heavens and hells and crossed chinvat-bridge ( the sirat ) before finally reaching his deity "ahura mazda", sitting on the throne in 7th heaven.
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #1 - August 08, 2011, 07:44 PM
    The wiki on it is pretty detailed.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #2 - August 08, 2011, 08:04 PM
    I think the miraj  story is a common trope in many mythologies and mystical journeys. Taking a journey to the divine after 7 trials (like Hercules) or 7 levels (like Dante) feature in a lot of them.
    It was also a common theme in the shamanic idea of journeying through the underworld to meet god and to return with god's blessings and wisdoms,
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #3 - August 08, 2011, 08:23 PM
    No, no, Hadrat Hassan, you've got it all wrong. It's just another ancient text that prophesied the coming of Sayyidna Muhammad (s.).
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #4 - August 08, 2011, 08:39 PM
    Zebedee - I missed you - and your: "Hadrat Hassan"  Cheesy  far away hug
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #5 - August 08, 2011, 08:40 PM
    Heyyy.  Zebedee is back!  How you doin', homie?
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #6 - August 08, 2011, 08:48 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 08, 2011, 08:39 PM
    Zebedee - I missed you - and your: "Hadrat Hassan"  Cheesy  far away hug


    Yeah, missed you too chief! Man hug!  far away hug

    (No homo)

    Quote from: ateapotist on August 08, 2011, 08:40 PM
    Heyyy.  Zebedee is back!  How you doin', homie?


    Hey teapot, I'm doing good thanks. And it's good to see there's still some of the old school members of the Devil's Party kicking about here.  grin12
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #7 - August 09, 2011, 12:17 AM
    Quote from: Zebedee on August 08, 2011, 08:23 PM
    *snip*


    Hi hi.  dance
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #8 - August 09, 2011, 08:58 AM
    Hey Spinnie  Smiley
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #9 - August 09, 2011, 06:55 PM
    SLM dear Hassan,

    Unfortunately it doesn't parallel exactly the Mi'raj & Isra -- but as Z10 points out, has a similar general theme to Muhammed's journey (in the Old Testament and Vedic scriptures, there are similar stories of ascents to heaven, and reaching God, my favourite being the Book of Ezekiel).

    Also significant is the ordering of the Prophets Muhammed meets along the way. Ibn Arabi has a particular understanding of this ordering. I have as well: in fact it is a "subversion" of a Judaic ordering (Ibrahim is not normally "top" in Judaism, Yusuf is). 

    I've no doubt that all these ascents are to God. But, of course, only if you make take them yourself. In Tailorism, "you" are Muhammed, so there's no point in reading the Miraj unless you want to hop on buraj and say "giddyup".

    (Nice sharing a drink with you the other day btw, you're as kind and loving in the flesh as you are on this forum.)

    Quote from: z10 on August 08, 2011, 08:04 PM
    I think the miraj  story is a common trope in many mythologies and mystical journeys. Taking a journey to the divine after 7 trials (like Hercules) or 7 levels (like Dante) feature in a lot of them. It was also a common theme in the shamanic idea of journeying through the underworld to meet god and to return with god's blessings and wisdoms,


    I am unsure if I can map the 7 of the Miraj onto Hercules and Dante -- I haven't tried (can't recall what the trials were) -- Z10, do you have the mapping?

    (It seems we missed out on our drink?)

    TT



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  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #10 - August 09, 2011, 09:04 PM
    Quote from: The tailor on August 09, 2011, 06:55 PM


    I am unsure if I can map the 7 of the Miraj onto Hercules and Dante -- I haven't tried (can't recall what the trials were) -- Z10, do you have the mapping?

    (It seems we missed out on our drink?)

    TT






    For Dante, I think you will find the following book very interesting: http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Divine-comedy-Miguel-Palacios/dp/B0006AJQUE/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1312923553&sr=8-12

    It is a work by a Spanish christian priest that attempts to show how Dante stole from Ibn Arabi and copied the miraj story. I don't think the case for theft is as strong as the Palacios likes to claim but he does show some striking similiarities between Dante's Divine Comedy and the miraj of mo.
    I remember reading a mystical interpretation of Hercules somewhere too, I will get back to you about that.

    (Yes, I haven't made it to England yet but we should definitely go for a drink whenever I do make it Smiley )
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #11 - August 09, 2011, 09:29 PM
    Quote
    (Yes, I haven't made it to England yet but we should definitely go for a drink whenever I do make it  )


    ^^i want to join in with the sufi drinking party and chanting and what not please  Smiley
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #12 - August 09, 2011, 09:36 PM
    Quote from: The tailor on August 09, 2011, 06:55 PM
    SLM dear Hassan,

    Unfortunately it doesn't parallel exactly the Mi'raj & Isra -- but as Z10 points out, has a similar general theme to Muhammed's journey (in the Old Testament and Vedic scriptures, there are similar stories of ascents to heaven, and reaching God, my favourite being the Book of Ezekiel).

    Also significant is the ordering of the Prophets Muhammed meets along the way. Ibn Arabi has a particular understanding of this ordering. I have as well: in fact it is a "subversion" of a Judaic ordering (Ibrahim is not normally "top" in Judaism, Yusuf is).  

    I've no doubt that all these ascents are to God. But, of course, only if you make take them yourself. In Tailorism, "you" are Muhammed, so there's no point in reading the Miraj unless you want to hop on buraj and say "giddyup".

    (Nice sharing a drink with you the other day btw, you're as kind and loving in the flesh as you are on this forum.)


    The Tailor!  The honour was totally mine, my friend - so happy to meet you hugs (and you are every bit the mystical master I know on the forum)

    Here's a more modern ascension to Heaven made by Mike Oldfield for you Smiley  (Listen to it with headphones)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq1C1g8OQJs
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #13 - August 09, 2011, 09:45 PM
    Quote from: Blade Gunner on August 09, 2011, 09:29 PM
    ^^i want to join in with the sufi drinking party and chanting and what not please  Smiley


    No! The Sufi way is only for the Humble, Needy to Allah, and Unworthy. And I'm afraid some of us are more unworthy than others. Tongue

    <shiftily puts arm round Tailor & Z-10 and sticks tongue out at Blade Gunner)
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #14 - August 09, 2011, 09:58 PM
    damn you Hassan. damn you. it's ok though i'll just dance around and chant in the background by myself whilst you three are enjoying your sufi drinking  Tongue
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #15 - August 09, 2011, 10:08 PM
    <Turns back & ignores Blade Gunner's silly dancing and enjoys a joke with TT & Zed> "Haha! Good one TT"
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #16 - August 09, 2011, 10:19 PM
     finmad this isn't funny anymore *puts hands in pockets, turns around and walks home in the rain, cursing the sufis whilst sobbing*
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #17 - August 09, 2011, 10:30 PM
    Awwwww...  Cry  <Feels sorry for BG and so rushes out to tell BG to come back, but someone slams and locks door behind Hassan - TT & Zed are laughing and pointing at Hassan & BG through window while waving key>

    Puts hands in pockets, turns around and walks home in the rain with BG
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #18 - August 09, 2011, 10:40 PM
     Smiley Thank Allah for happy gay endings  Smiley
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Miraj from Zoroastrian book "Arda Viraf Namag"?
     Reply #19 - August 09, 2011, 10:41 PM
     Cheesy
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