The Qur’an’s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)

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Topic: The Qur’an’s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)

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Re: The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #30 - October 21, 2011, 06:40 AM

You guys should stop being so funny. It makes choosing the JOTM a real dilemma.

قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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Re: The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #31 - October 23, 2011, 08:55 AM

There once was a Nabi from the Quraysh
Who was kind of like David Koresh
He gathered some fools
Said follow these rules
Or Allah will burn off your flesh

The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
-Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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Re: The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #32 - October 23, 2011, 09:09 AM

Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
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Re: The Qur’an’s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #33 - October 23, 2011, 02:33 PM

There once was a god with no double,
Who created Adam out of rubble.
He created us all
With infinite flaw
And then burns us in hell for our trouble.

I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
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Re: The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #34 - October 23, 2011, 04:08 PM

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This is due to the fact that if we listen to speech, our hearts and minds all react on an individual basis, whereby we will translate and understand the speech according to our own personal understanding and comprehension of what was said.

The Buddha realized that what we hear cannot be separated from our selves (which are illusionary, but that's another topic). As on who is nearly deaf, I recoginze this to be true. We can all interpret as we will, but my interpretation of Abrahamic religion is different from that of many others.

Hassan's limerick sums up my very criticism of Christianity and Islam.

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The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #35 - March 16, 2013, 10:13 AM

I have listened to the Krauss Tortoise debate.

Krauss says that he has made two sentences from the quran in 11 seconds just by randomly messing about with Arabic words in a computer program.
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Reply #36 - March 16, 2013, 01:42 PM

Professor Lawrence Krauss and that high school drop out Hamza fool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTJmapuMIY

i am afraid people are giving too much importance to this fool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohMJrekTGFc

Ooooffffffffff...

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Reply #37 - March 16, 2013, 01:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YKrLab0IWg

Belief in God: Prohibitive or Liberating? Lawrence Krauss & Uthman Badar

Australian Muslims are bit better...Uthman is zillion times better than that Greek geek convert...

this is fun to watch..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtgLYXBC1z0

well total 3hrs..

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The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #38 - March 27, 2013, 08:11 PM

Does anyone have an update on this?

Isn't deciding upon whether or not a chapter is prose or poetry "overall" subjective in itself? Can someone who knows Arabic describe this?
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Reply #39 - June 07, 2013, 10:44 AM

Anybody planning to troll this on Monday?
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/528237255

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In this webinar you will learn the literary miracle of the Qur'an and you will be able to respond to popular and academic contentions, insha'Allah. This is a university level webinar.
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Reply #40 - June 07, 2013, 05:12 PM

I'd be interested in hearing if he says anything new.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
My political philosophy below
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The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #41 - June 07, 2013, 05:17 PM

Quote from: kutta on March 27, 2013, 08:11 PM
Does anyone have an update on this?

Isn't deciding upon whether or not a chapter is prose or poetry "overall" subjective in itself? Can someone who knows Arabic describe this?

more or less yes. there were and are distinct literary styles but it's not like you can't blend them.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
My political philosophy below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
Just kidding, here are some true heros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #42 - June 10, 2013, 02:28 PM

It's interesting that most Muslims are subconsciously ashamed of some aspects of the Quran. Mr. Hamza here would never use the wife-beating verse or the talking-ants verse to show how miraculous the Quran is.
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The Qur?an?s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #43 - June 10, 2013, 06:24 PM

Quote from: dr_sloth on June 07, 2013, 10:44 AM
Anybody planning to troll this on Monday?
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/528237255

the fruits of iERA research: There is no causal or logical connection between the nature of the staff and the nature of the snake.
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Reply #44 - June 10, 2013, 07:32 PM

i told him: "The quran can only be 'outside the productive capacity of the Arabic language', if it is not one of the many possible combinations and permutations of Arabic words. This is rather obviously not the case."

He is ignoring it so far
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Reply #45 - June 10, 2013, 08:00 PM

The biggest proof that the quran is poetry is that the Arabs who heard it called it poetry. In the quran itself it says they called Mo a "mad poet."
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Reply #46 - June 10, 2013, 10:37 PM

Since Hamza is (has recently become) such a fan of deductive arguments, I have one for him

1. The 'productive capacity' of a language is every possible combination and permutation of it's letters and other characters.
2. The quran is one of the possible combinations and permutations of Arabic letters and other characters
3. Therefore the quran is within the productive capacity of the Arabic language.
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The Qur’an’s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle (Summarised)
Reply #47 - February 06, 2014, 12:27 PM

An old useful thread on Hamza's literary miracle. Thought it was worth a bump.

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Reply #48 - February 06, 2014, 12:39 PM

more detail here now http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=25666.msg730559#msg730559
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Reply #49 - February 06, 2014, 12:58 PM

I assume you will be continuing that thread sloth? I see you were having second thoughts.
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Reply #50 - February 06, 2014, 01:04 PM

The entire argument falls apart even in the first step - defining the word 'miracle'. So there isn't really any need to continue that thread.
But i intend to anyway. I'm also making a video on the topic
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