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  • err... hi
     OP - March 12, 2012, 07:19 PM

    I'm not really sure I belong here, because I have never been Muslim and I am not Atheist... however, I have a strong interest in religion and enjoy talking to people about it. Most specifically, I enjoy talking to people who have put a lot of thought into their beliefs... which would obviously include those who have converted to or from a religion.

    To be honest, part of the reason I am here is because I have a good friend from Saudi who is studying at University in the States that I have long thought to be a closet Atheist... or at least someone who has little regard for religion, even if he hasn't consciously rejected it. I am not naive enough to assume the fact that he drinks or smokes or sleeps around is an indicator of this (I have known far too many Muslims, and Saudis in particular, to make such a bold claim!) However, since I have known him he has never been to the mosque (that I am aware of), does not pray, is one of the few Saudis to not be terribly bothered when hanging out with my homosexual friends and doesn't seem to get overly offended when people say things against Islam. The times he does, it seems more for his brothers and friends than a genuine need to defend Islam. Although perhaps I am reading too much into his actions?

    To me, the idea of a Saudi atheist is intruiging. And I'll admit, when I first began to suspect he might be atheist it felt very novel, but to be honest... does anyone truly believe the Saudi's claim to have a 100% Muslim population? And yet, due to the social and legal pressure to be Muslim, I find it fascinating. As one who has rejected my own religious upbringing (not leaving my religion alltogether, but adopting a very liberal outlook on it) I know that it can be hard to question things you were raised to believe, especially when an angry god and the promise of eternal torture are some of the consequences that could result of your new line of thinking. It was painful in America, where like-minded people are easier to find and resources for alternate ways of thinking are readily available. So I guess I am here to try and get a better understanding of why and how someone would become Atheist*.

    Obviously this isn't really something I can talk to my friend about. I am not certain he is atheist, it is just a suspicion. And even if he were, I am not sure he would trust me with that information. I am good friends with members of his family and I sometimes have a habit of talking too much when drunk.  >.<  So I guess I am dropping in here to satisfy my curiosity on the topic, more or less.

    (*as an fyi, I am a psychology and sociology double major... so the study of human behavior and decision making is something that really is interesting to me. I am not someone who thinks that religion is obviously the answer and that atheists are crazy to believe in "nothing"... rather, I am interested in the process people take to come to their beliefs, especially given all of the cognitive biases that we have. And since most research takes places in western countries I would not try to apply research or common theories that I have learned in school to situations involving people from other cultures anyway. Which is why hearing first-hand people's experiences is important. I will probably just lurk around-- not having ever been Muslim I don't know that I have much to contribute to the discussion-- but I joined just in case I ever found a discussion I would want to be a part of. And, to be honest, it's been a while since I"ve been a member of any active forums and I kind of miss it.  Roll Eyes )
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #1 - March 12, 2012, 07:24 PM

    hi and welcome..
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #2 - March 12, 2012, 07:29 PM

     parrot

    You know people often say they know a mate when....

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #3 - March 12, 2012, 10:34 PM

    To drink alcohol is wrong! One does not need to be a Muslim to understand this. What religion art thou? I  am a Buddhist of the Emptiness school. We are atheists according to Hindus because we trust not in gods but in dhamma, Buddha, Sangha, etc. The Noble Nagarjuna speaks truly when he says "All gods die and go to hells" and if he be wrong, then there are no gods by my reckoning.

    If thou wert to eliminate thy need for alcohol (a most loathsome substance that Islam does not condemn enough), perhaps thou wouldst be better able to speak in confidence to thy friend.

    Please do not hate thy friend for his atheism. Atheism allows for a more logical appraisment of the world as it is.

    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #4 - March 13, 2012, 12:24 AM

    Welcome dude, I hope you find your time here insighful,

    I am not someone who thinks that religion is obviously the answer and that atheists are crazy to believe in "nothing"... rather, I am interested in the process people take to come to their beliefs, especially given all of the cognitive biases that we have.


    Just wanted to say that if someone says they are an atheist, that only indicates what they don't beleive. Atheists still have values and beliefs, and may similutaneous define themselves as humanists, naturalists, buddhists, etc.
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #5 - March 13, 2012, 12:44 AM

    Indeed. I am a Shunyata Buddhist (at some level), which means that I hold that everything is empty of inherent existence. This does not mean, however, that I (or the Shunyata school) believe that nothing exists. We all must interact with reality. However, Shunyata Buddhism holds that everything comes into existence only through interaction with other factors. Certainly, this requires a belief in an eternal universe (or multiverse) that begins and ends with out end (big bang, big crunch ad infinitum), yet this seems to me no less absurd than believing in a supreme eternal god who created the universe.

    Atheists only believe that there are no eternal gods. Beyond this, we are diverse. Buddhism teaches that gods are born and die like other living things, but the dhamma transcends any gods' commandments. Other atheists (Scientologists) believe that human suffering is created by psychiatrists and that gravity-matter were created by slaves in a slave uprising in an energy-based civilization trillions of years ago. Cheesy whistling2

    Yellowsky, the resident Buddhist Atheist, who, like thee, was never a Muslim.

    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #6 - March 13, 2012, 12:52 AM

    welcome.

    what strangestdude said.  I go from agnostic to atheist several times a day.

    While i have completely ruled out man made religions and all their prophets
    as being the truth, I still have spiritual questions yet to be answered.

    And no, no human can answer my questions or introspections lol.

    Why wouldnt atheists have values, morals, etc?  I do.  And I am a law
    abiding citizen, too.  Why wouldnt I be?  Just because I dont believe in
    written stories about a god I dont believe exists?

    And noone here can possibly know if your arab friend is muslim or not lol.
    Except for you to straight out ask him.  And you dont feel comfortable doing
    that.  

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #7 - March 13, 2012, 12:56 AM

    err... hi

    Most self-effacing thread title ever.

    Good post, though.
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #8 - March 13, 2012, 03:24 AM

    Welcome ! Have a parrot  parrot

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #9 - March 13, 2012, 05:41 AM

    Just wanted to say that if someone says they are an atheist, that only indicates what they don't beleive. Atheists still have values and beliefs, and may similutaneous define themselves as humanists, naturalists, buddhists, etc.


    That is why I had put 'nothing' into quote marks. I wasn't entirely certain how to phrase that and, to be honest, am not really happy with the way it's worded now. I really just meant to say that Atheists aren't crazy to reject religion. I'm not the sort of person who wonders how people can reject the idea of a god, essentially.

    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic
    And noone here can possibly know if your arab friend is muslim or not lol.


    Well obviously!  haha!  I was not expecting anyone to answer that question for me.  Rather, because I don't feel comfortable talking with my friend about his (suspected) atheism, I figured I could satisfy my curiosity by asking people here about their (confirmed) atheism. I am just fascinated by people's decision making process, how things in their lives lead them to the place they are now. Especially such a big decision as religion and especially those who live in strict societies where questions aren't encouraged. Yes, I know it probably sounds weird... but it's my major. What can I say?

    Quote from: David
    Most self-effacing thread title ever.


    Well, I am a very self-effacing person.   Tongue
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #10 - March 13, 2012, 12:36 PM

    Fear not. I also am self-effacing. Wink

    Well, I have a rather self-analytical mind, and would gladly inform thee of my atheism and development of my views about Christianity and Islam. I am quite busy (classes are nearing their end), but I would gladly write my narrative for thee on April 15th or shortly thereafter (exams ending for me on the 25th of April).

    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #11 - March 13, 2012, 10:52 PM

    Welcome, lucky.ghosts .
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #12 - March 13, 2012, 11:36 PM

    Quote from: yellowsky
    Well, I have a rather self-analytical mind, and would gladly inform thee of my atheism and development of my views about Christianity and Islam. I am quite busy (classes are nearing their end), but I would gladly write my narrative for thee on April 15th or shortly thereafter (exams ending for me on the 25th of April).


    If you could, I would really enjoy reading it. Best of luck to you on your exams! Classes are nearing an end for me as well, so I understand all the work that seems to pile up around this time of the year!
  • Re: err... hi
     Reply #13 - March 14, 2012, 01:54 AM

    Great! Thanks for the interest.

    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
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