How 8-years old newbie atheist should handle the hospitaly of muslim?

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How 8-years old newbie atheist should handle the hospitaly of muslim?
OP - March 01, 2012, 09:19 AM

Poverty in the values with the guy who fired God at about his 20 years old.
At first, I am sorry poor English language skill.
For example, I used the Google translator with help to write this.

I could not find easily the right topic related to the context that I wanted.
I am from Finland and soon 28 years old. I was born in ultrareligious family and I have four brothers and two sisters. My parents met each other in the church which was believed to be almost as Pentecostalism.In high school I suffered a number of fears and conflicts which are oppressed. Sometimes class mates claimed me ass a gay because I could no watch the flirt of the girls. I do not dare to eat in public, and was afraid of demons after dark. However, when I said to myself in my mind that I no longer believe in the divinity lost the fear of darkness. When I started in Finland the national military service which lasted for 3 weeks / 6 months I won my fears. Blink of an eye I noticed that when you were hungry and thirsty as hell, the animal makes an effective meaningful things when food is in front. All these years I tried to ask God for help!

Today, when I do not believe in the divinity and too little faith in myself I feel poverty in values. I live in the past too much. The present moment is lost out of control as the water flows between the fingers. I am overweight, I smoke cigarettes and have a gambling addiction. So few people can believe in their own superiority. At times, I have a distressing idea that there is not anything to grab.

The reason why I came to the forum is it that I would like to objectively deal with my relationship with Islam. I waded through the many Christian sects. It is clearly stated that those who believe in miracles themselves are a bit silly. So blind people. I have a couple of times talked to neigbour of my friend who is in a Moroccan middle-aged Muslim man. It states that he has completed two degrees. He apparently has a degree in sociology and social science courses. He is also a devout Muslim. On one occasion he was giving me a brochure which looked wery nice, as if Jehovah's witnesses. I thougth that he tried to convert me to Islam Sunna. I told her politely that I do not have the time and good will to read them. Yesterday, I told him in the bus on the way home that if I started to study religions from A to O my life would be wery hard. I mean that I would not had time to do anything than say greetings ex-brothers and sister in god n+1. In this case, I would not have time to even breathe. Previously I had said that I do not understand why I should start exactly just on Islam. To which he replied that Allah leads the right way. So I did not have time to respond spontaneously. What is perhaps for good. I mean that would soon become an atheist and a Muslim Not so fruitful debate.

I feel that Christianity is becoming increasingly better adapted to modern society than Islam doing. But on the other hand, Muslims are respectful of his when they are consistent about what their holy book teaches. For example, if the Christians abide by the Apostle Paul's instruction, the women use the veil.

At times, I am anxious about the idea that a Muslim man who is a perfect stranger to me is treats me almost as a friend. I refused on one occasion for his hospitality. He asked me to drink coffee or tea and a chat with me about religion. It seems to be that he had a divine role to save my soul and be a friend of mine. How should I deal with him?

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Reply #1 - March 01, 2012, 09:49 AM

Quote from: baal1984 on March 01, 2012, 09:19 AM
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I feel that Christianity is becoming increasingly better adapted to modern society than Islam doing. But on the other hand, Muslims are respectful of his when they are consistent about what their holy book teaches. For example, if the Christians abide by the Apostle Paul's instruction, the women use the veil.

At times, I am anxious about the idea that a Muslim man who is a perfect stranger to me is treats me almost as a friend. I refused on one occasion for his hospitality. He asked me to drink coffee or tea and a chat with me about religion. It seems to be that he had a divine role to save my soul and be a friend of mine. How should I deal with him?

welcome baal1984., I used to have an internet friend with same nick.. well answer is simple..

Drink tea ..chat with him.. mostly let hims talk as I see you have NO BACKGROUND of any religion.. read Quran /Sunnah/hadith along with him.. and if possible ask him to join CEMB..

with best wishes
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Reply #2 - March 01, 2012, 10:28 AM

Hmm.. Wery interesting point of view. He gave me his email. I´ll try to carefully reconsider my attitudes. For reason or other I´m a bit afraid to contact on him.
I don´t know why.

I think that he is far too strongminded person to me. I mean that if I define my goal to make him as an unbeliever.

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Reply #3 - March 01, 2012, 10:36 AM

Quote from: baal1984 on March 01, 2012, 10:28 AM
Hmm.. Wery interesting point of view. He gave me his email. I´ll try to carefully reconsider my attitudes. For reason or other I´m a bit afraid to contact on him.
I don´t know why.

well you should know why you are fearful of something or some person

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I think that he is far too strongminded person to me. I mean that if I define my goal to make him as an unbeliever.

that is all right., there is nothing wrong if a person is strong minded., that is what a person supposed to be., If he strong minded and HUMANIST it is all the better..

but.. but why do you want to make him UNBELIEVER? I don't think it is a right thing to do.,

what all you can do or any one should be able to do is, Question those things in faith(IN EVERY FAITH) that you think are detrimental to humanity and human progress..

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Reply #4 - March 01, 2012, 10:44 AM

Tervetuloa, baal1984

This neighbour of your friend sure sounds like a friendly chap. Muslims believe it is their holy mission to do their best to make non-muslims "see the light" and convert to a religion they believe to be the only truth. He will most likely paint Islam to you in very flattering colours and sugar-coat the reality as much as he can.

Maybe you should look up some of the most negative aspects of the religion (this forum has plenty of threads dedicated to that) and question him about that. Chances are he will not have very convincing answers.

He's no friend to the friendless
And he's the mother of grief
There's only sorrow for tomorrow
Surely life is too brief
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Reply #5 - March 01, 2012, 10:45 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on March 01, 2012, 10:36 AM
but.. but why do you want to make him UNBELIEVER? I don't think it is a right thing to do.,

I agree with the yeez. I don't see that anything good would come out of you trying to make him leave Islam. Especially since you say you don't know much about the religion.

I thought you Finns were big fans of "live and let live", anyway

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And he's the mother of grief
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Reply #6 - March 01, 2012, 10:50 AM

Quote from: Naerys on March 01, 2012, 10:44 AM
Tervetuloa, baal1984

This neighbour of your friend sure sounds like a friendly chap. Muslims believe it is their holy mission to do their best to make non-muslims "see the light" and convert to a religion they believe to be the only truth. He will most likely paint Islam to you in very flattering colours and sugar-coat the reality as much as he can.

Maybe you should look up some of the most negative aspects of the religion (this forum has plenty of threads dedicated to that) and question him about that. Chances are he will not have very convincing answers.

No..no..no.. I am pretty sure That Muslim friend of baal1984 will beat him up or his group from Mosque will make baal a Muslim aftre beating him..loll.,

Best way is internet.. asking them to join forum and tell them these rascals insulting Islam, so with his Islamic knowledge baal1984 Imam friend could change INFIDEL LIKE YOU and let learn themselves by reading Quran Sunnah and Hadith..

Quote from: Naerys on March 01, 2012, 10:45 AM
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I thought you Finns were big fans of "live and let live", anyway

Yap Finns and Swedes .. sweet people ...

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Reply #7 - March 01, 2012, 11:07 AM

It's not about sweetness, it's more about privacy.

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Reply #8 - March 01, 2012, 11:15 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on March 01, 2012, 10:50 AM
No..no..no.. I am pretty sure That Muslim friend of baal1984 will beat him up or his group from Mosque will make baal a Muslim aftre beating him..loll.,

You got the sense of humor!

Quote from: yeezevee on March 01, 2012, 10:50 AM
Best way is internet.. asking them to join forum and tell them these rascals insulting Islam, so with his Islamic knowledge baal1984 Imam friend could change INFIDEL LIKE YOU and let learn themselves by reading Quran Sunnah and Hadith..
Yap Finns and Swedes .. sweet people ...

Hmm... I'm not sure if the Wikipedia* managed to express the common finnish idom " Maistaa omaa lääkettään". But did I got your point if I make a statement like on the below?

When the muslim neighbor of my friend comes here in the forum he will get taste of his own medicine!

*en.wiktionary.org ----------> Category:Finnish_idioms

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Reply #9 - March 01, 2012, 12:22 PM

Quote from: baal1984 on March 01, 2012, 11:15 AM
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Hmm... I'm not sure if the Wikipedia* managed to express the common finnish idom " Maistaa omaa lääkettään". But did I got your point if I make a statement like on the below?

Your Google/wiki translation is pretty good., but I often write posts with bit of sarcastic salt in it . ..lol..

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When the muslim neighbor of my friend comes here in the forum he will get taste of his own medicine!

*en.wiktionary.org ----------> Category:Finnish_idioms

well the forum will give his own medicine and more .. often we will put people to sleep lol..

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Reply #10 - March 01, 2012, 04:51 PM

Why, if you have had bad experiences with religion - making you fearful, and you no longer believe in gods, do you want to spend your time with a religio? Just because he has degrees - where from, muslim universities? doesn't mean he knows more than you do.

You finns are meant to be the highest percentage atheists on the planet! Lead us into the light please!

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

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Reply #11 - March 01, 2012, 07:46 PM

Quote from: moi on March 01, 2012, 04:51 PM
Why, if you have had bad experiences with religion - making you fearful, and you no longer believe in gods, do you want to spend your time with a religio? Just because he has degrees - where from, muslim universities? doesn't mean he knows more than you do.

You finns are meant to be the highest percentage atheists on the planet! Lead us into the light please!

Perhaps i guy with bad premises want to have an interesting hobby. To chat with religious people - wery weird way for bad reasons! First I have to reveal something In my life what makes it possible to have some extra time to chat strangers. I do not go to work after finishing my degree in vocational institute in busines. I get from the society about 1250€ pension for the month, ½ of the free money goes to rent.

To activate my self I study russian in high school for adults at two evenings in the week. The other reason is that I want to increase to probality to get reasonable work. Я атеист. Я говорю немного русский язык. The funny thing in Finland is that majority has to study Swedish in school from children to adults. Swedish native speaker in Finland is about 5%. So the economical impact on EU from Russia is growing and Ancient Greek is teached about same level as Russian. ( By saying it by caricatured way) My conclusion is that for me it's a good choise.

To get back for the bad reasons. In the past I thougt that if I could convert even one soul to Atheism I would be happy.
Once Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door to give me the light. I told them that when I come to belief your way I can't masturbate, look porn and drink alcohol wery briskly as we finnish say, "vetää kännejä".
Young man in my age blushed, and the discussion ended.

Perhaps to put it as subconscious way. I have a trauma from my highschool days when I thought that I were a big prophet. Always atheisths won me 7-0. I just have to accept that I do not have to spend my all life to trying to beat my head in the wall by trying to convert somebody to something.

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Reply #12 - March 03, 2012, 07:30 AM

You said you liked Islam because they are very consistent in the beliefs. Think about this. Islam is very very resistant to change. However, tell me one thing in life that doesn't change and grow. Things that fail to grow and adapt are doomed to die. It's a basic practical element of life, not something in your head. Both Judaism and Christianity realize this and are adapting themselves, as they break down into more moderate sects. Islam is not open to change, adaptions, new information, facing its own inconsistencies or problems but simply writes it off as "That's not Islam".

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Reply #13 - March 03, 2012, 04:11 PM

I do taichi, and this morning the instructor commented that the point of taichi is to continually find slightly different ways to do something. He gave the examples of weight trainers who will practice in a certain way, and then change to another method, because you get stuck in the old way and cannot improve further.

My impression of Islam, and especially its ritual of praying, is it is deliberately forcing people to do things the same way, and the last thing it wants is change, a riff, a cover version, jazz, dance, music.

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

"We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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