Wrestling the Troll: Sam Harris

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Re: Wrestling the Troll: Sam Harris
Reply #30 - August 10, 2012, 12:20 PM

All of you guys who are WRITING IN THIS THREAD including Sam Harris and Op must visit Pakistan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fe9ZVGqBZI

To get the bloody Jinns out of you guys..

So visit http://www.tourism.gov.pk/ and book your flight tickets to Pakistan through PIA..

Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything
I renounced my faith to become a kafir,
the beloved betrayed me and turned in to a Muslim
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Re: Wrestling the Troll: Sam Harris
Reply #31 - August 10, 2012, 02:30 PM

Quote from: Abood on August 08, 2012, 05:50 PM
Sam Harris does not take into account power relationships. He does not take into account corruption. He does not take into account the fact that if we give power to a government, it can abuse that power. I don't know how to be any more concrete. If we controlled those variables, then maybe I would agree with him (actually, I don't, but that's irrelevant right now), but those variables are not controllable in real life. Read my post above.

By such logic, then nobody should say what governments should (or should not) do regarding ANY issue, because governments always exist in complex systems with an enormous amount of variables.

Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
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Re: Wrestling the Troll: Sam Harris
Reply #32 - August 10, 2012, 02:32 PM

What? All I said is that we need to take those variables (power and corruption) into account. Those are not some obscure, minor elements in politics.
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Re: Wrestling the Troll: Sam Harris
Reply #33 - August 10, 2012, 02:37 PM

Quote from: Al-Ma`arri on August 08, 2012, 05:56 PM
Abood:

I see your arguments. I agree with you on that he should have touched on power-relations much more in his writings about these subjects (torture, racial profiling, niqab etc). But one question: Is the fear of corruption (or more relevant: abuse) a good reason not to practice racial-profiling/ or say torture is morally acceptable (sometimes) or to ban the niqab?

I think there is also a misconception out there - that being an ethnic/religious/ minority automatically means inferiority (power-relations). But does it have to be right - in reality?

I'm not talking about any ethnic or religious minority. I'm talking about power relations in general, between the governor and the governed.
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