If there is a such thing as "Christian Atheism" then about Islamic Atheism?

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If there is a such thing as "Christian Atheism" then about Islamic Atheism?
OP - September 07, 2012, 07:12 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

The word "Islamic Atheism" sounds so funny LOL
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Reply #1 - September 07, 2012, 07:12 PM

Can you define Islamic atheism?
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Reply #2 - September 07, 2012, 07:17 PM

Well according to Wiki it states
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"Christian atheism is an ideology in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed."

Now is that possible with Islam? Certainly would be interesting to find out
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Reply #3 - September 07, 2012, 07:23 PM

By definition. Islam is submission to Allah. If that is rejected, what is it you wish to follow?
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Reply #4 - September 07, 2012, 07:36 PM

No you are confused, I don't wish to follow anything. I was saying it would be certainly interesting to see if any would claim on being an "Islamic Atheist", because plenty do consider them "Christian Atheist". Both which are an oxymoron but nonetheless would be interesting to see
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Reply #5 - September 07, 2012, 07:41 PM

People can call themselves whatever they want. But Islamic atheism makes zero sense.

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Reply #6 - September 07, 2012, 07:49 PM

After my apostasy, I tried to give my position a name. But TBH. I'm pretty happy with a naturalist or secular humanist. Why should I define myself with something that I don't give a stuff about?
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Reply #7 - September 07, 2012, 07:50 PM
Yes, of course we can do the same with Islam. E.g.
- It’s OK to act differently to how you preach.
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Reply #8 - September 07, 2012, 07:57 PM

People can and do claim whatever identity they want.

Islamic Athiesm isn't any more crazy than Christian Athiesm. It would mean you have a background in Islamic culture and morality, but ultimately don't believe in God/heaven/hell...

If we go by the wikipedia definition of Christian Athiesm
"Christian atheism is an ideology in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed."

An Islamic Ahtiesm is not that far off. You would believe in the moral teaching of the the Islamic figureheads and culture. Now granted, if you're like me, you think Mohamed and the rest of those folks were horrible people, but many simply choose to think of them in a good light.

I really think it is not-productive how many here (as ex-muslims) seem to want a black-white view of Islam. Either you follow the *real* islam of 1400 years ago, or you call yourself an Athiest. This is not true of Judaism or Christianity, and I personally love it when we get different interpretations of Islam... even if they seem like just weasling out.
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I've actually gotten away with describing myself as an Islamic agnostic depending on the social circle. It's apparently kind of acceptable. Atheist carries too much baggage and hostility, so I wouldn't personally use it.
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Reply #9 - September 08, 2012, 12:09 AM

For Christianity it makes a lot more sense because at the heart of Christianity is the 'mystery' of Christ and the emotional appeal of his sacrifice. In a sense Christianity is an emotive guideline on how to live your life. Jesus says feed the poor, not how much to give to the poor exactly and to love your enemy but not really where when or how so these emotions can be appealed to and interpreted independently.

That being said, I've never ran into a 'Christian agnostic' who quickly didn't become an atheist with perhaps Christian ideals so it's more of an abstract philosophical point on a transition than a defensible belief.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #10 - September 08, 2012, 07:35 AM

A shortened version of a certain phrase - "There is no God." ?

Actually, is Islam nuanced enough to allow oxymorons like that?

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Reply #11 - September 08, 2012, 11:06 AM

Quote from: scamper_22 on September 07, 2012, 07:57 PM
People can and do claim whatever identity they want.

Certainly in liberal secular societies you can do that. And whilst calling yourself a *insert religion here* atheist may raise some eyebrows, you can still do it, because you are free to call yourself a dolphin worshipping Jewish Hindu agnostic pantheist if you so desire. That is what free conscience is all about.

The problem is, with Islam, how it is received by Muslims themselves, and by Islam institutionally, whether there is a space for such a description with any kind of resonance or credibility under the umbrella of Islam.

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Reply #12 - September 08, 2012, 02:14 PM

Whatever ! ALA it stops people from killing each other because of their beliefs.

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Reply #13 - September 08, 2012, 09:58 PM

Someone composed something like the following, which is probably a very fertile way to take these matters

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I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God and that Hercules is the son of Zeus

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