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 Topic: Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam

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  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     OP - July 22, 2013, 09:49 PM

    A good read link

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #1 - July 22, 2013, 11:11 PM

    Fully agree. No one has the right to not be offended.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #2 - July 22, 2013, 11:39 PM

    Exactly. I will always fight for your right to be offended.

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  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #3 - July 23, 2013, 12:13 AM

    And I for yours  far away hug

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #4 - July 23, 2013, 10:47 AM

     dance  far away hug

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  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #5 - July 23, 2013, 11:37 AM

    You know, I agree that constructive criticism is everyone's right, and if it offends, sadly it offends, that's life.

    But I don't know, I guess I won't be fighting for anyone's right to just outright offend.  After all, I fight against the right for people to just randomly call women sluts, because it is offensive, or other sexist, and racist outright offensive statements.

    I just find the "will fight for your right to offend" statement a bit misleading at times. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #6 - July 23, 2013, 12:36 PM

    Yep, but gotta have the right to talk shit and be a berk.

    One should also seek to be better than that.
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #7 - July 23, 2013, 12:52 PM

    Depends what they are doing that's deemed offensive. Criticism of Mo is offensive to some, but I absolutely support that.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #8 - July 23, 2013, 03:18 PM

    Question or criticize any aspect of Islam and they find it offensive e.g. Child marriage(to some)

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #9 - July 23, 2013, 03:19 PM

    Yep, but gotta have the right to talk shit and be a berk.

    One should also seek to be better than that.


    Yea.  I know. Sucks though.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Why I have the fundamental right to offend Islam
     Reply #10 - July 23, 2013, 03:39 PM

    What is interesting to me is the lack of public debate on religious issues.

    There are times I wonder if people hundreds of years ago had more freedom of speech in the real sense than us today.
    This is not just with respect to Muslims, but even with Christians.

    Have people read the works of the US founding fathers. There are outright attacks on the priesthood, on the bible, or the very idea of God itself.
    I can't think of a single US politician today who would make such views known publicly like that.

    In Islam as well. During certain periods, the diversity of religious thought was there. Prominent Persian/Arab scientists and thinkers ridiculed the idea of the hadith, others made all kinds of outrageous statements.

    It's all just kind of odd. I do not doubt they had severe limitations on free speech back then.
    I'm just saying, we're not so much ahead today when you look at the public sphere.
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #11 - July 23, 2013, 05:15 PM

    ahh.. the Muslim Hypocrisy, reminds me of The Mote and the Beam from the "Holy" Bible

    as for referring non muslims as animals, why do they think that animals are entirely bad example for human?
    as if Islam never tell Muslim to take a lesson from animal.
    and if they think animals are bad example, do they think that it's the animal's fault? who the hell "created" them, you dimwits?!  finmad
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #12 - July 23, 2013, 05:20 PM

    Have people read the works of the US founding fathers. There are outright attacks on the priesthood, on the bible, or the very idea of God itself.
    I can't think of a single US politician today who would make such views known publicly like that.


    Very thought provoking.

    A Thomas Paine or Spinoza from the Muslim world would be marginalised and silenced by parts of the Left in the name of "multicultural tolerance" today I fear.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #13 - July 23, 2013, 05:29 PM

    I always thought if the US Founding Fathers were alive today they'd be more than a little horrified.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #14 - July 23, 2013, 05:37 PM

    Very thought provoking.

    A Thomas Paine or Spinoza from the Muslim world would be marginalised and silenced by parts of the Left in the name of "multicultural tolerance" today I fear.





    You betcha. It irks me when people preach "multicultural tolerance". That's how muslims get away with so many things when they are actually the transgressors.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #15 - July 23, 2013, 06:13 PM

    I always thought if the US Founding Fathers were alive today they'd be more than a little horrified.


    Probably at having a black president.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #16 - July 24, 2013, 12:21 AM

    I have a few different things to say, different topics. I'll start off with the article. it's excellent, and I agree with the writer's view. Obviously because I don't believe an idea/religion deserves any rights.
    Mehdi Hassan's view that Islam is his identity is all good until he crosses the boundaries like the ones he is quoted saying in the article. If he can smear people as cattle, surely he understands that he can be smeared back. Surely he knows he has opened up the can of worms that causes people to double check what the source of his views are. The Quran isn't open to interpretation. It is what it is. Then that's where the problem lies. We on this secular side are open to innovation and change while Mehdi Hassan and others like him are only open to Islam and how they can interpret everything through Islam and the Quran. And it would be fine if the Quran didn't put people down, as the article also states. But that's exactly what it does, and to say it's part of your identity and it shouldn't be questioned/mocked is DIRECTLY asking for special rights to be a bigot; a free pass. I have beef with that!  I mean let's not even talk about the interpretations of "true" Islam and how under the blanket of Islam there are bigots who get a free pass to put down other Muslims. The precedent of a free pass to bigotry is set. If Allah can do it, why can't the freaks with the egos do it? Yeah, we have a problem....

    The other thing is I feel fucking pissed at the anti Muslim bigots who constantly fuel this argument of Muslims being violent. It's the EASIEST fucking thing to disprove and Muslims love argue against it and start comparing other violent people. These arseholes are purposely shitting all over a very promising debate that can question the core root of religious bigotry.

    I want a to spread a conspiracy theory today:
    Anti Muslim bigots are actually paid Muslim agents who work around the clock to steer the debate away from the real issues. They are paid to make inflammatory comments and cause riots.  They are paid to keep the debate limited from A to C. They are paid to keep Mehdi Hassan quoting statistics on which religion has done more violence. But saddest of all, the extra crazy ones are paid to cause racial tension.

    To Billy and Cato, RE: multiculturalism:
    The other day I felt proud driving through the city, and flag after flag I was looking at was the Aboriginal flag. I would rather resettle than live in a place that tries to teach people that there are no other groups besides the stupid one narrative of history (British) that keeps getting regurgitated to us. It's already blown up way out of proportion, and fast becoming irrelevant to us as a nation of MULTICULTURAL people who built our lives here, and have different stories to tell. Why trash multiculturalism as if extremists alone benefit from it? If you do that, you can trash anything else that they benefit from right? It's like you forget every other group in existence that is allowed dignity through multiculturalism. What do we have besides it? And not some right wing definition of it that limits it to Islam, but a legal social movement that challenges the old and allows non conventional people to fit in.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #17 - July 24, 2013, 01:04 AM

    The other day I felt proud driving through the city, and flag after flag I was looking at was the Aboriginal flag.

    irrelevant to us as a nation of MULTICULTURAL people who built our lives here, and have different stories to tell.

    I bet the Aborigines are really glad to have Croats, Indians and Somalis aboard the SS Tokenism.

    At what point does history become irrelevant, Jila? Or once the thread of history has been cut, do you just keep re-cutting it at any point that suits you?
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #18 - July 24, 2013, 01:11 AM

    Well that's the thing isn't it. Nazi's call non whites cattle of no intelligence, beasts of burden, everyone is rightly up in arms and demanding an apology.. It's okay if he does the same thing with non Muslims though. Because it's his religion. What really got me is he didn't apologise, didn't take it back, didn't say it's not true. Just explained it away because it says so in the Quran.

    You know, if I found a tribe somewhere in the Amazon who blinded every second born because their holy book said "Every second child must walk in darkness", I don't care if it's religion. I'll say flat out it's needless cruelty.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #19 - July 24, 2013, 06:05 AM

    Quote
    Why trash multiculturalism as if extremists alone benefit from it?


    @Jila; I think you misunderstood my point(and billy's as well) when I'm talking about the people that preaches "multicultural tolerance", I'm talking about the leftist who ,for example thinks we shouldn't criticize Islam for the terrorist activities that is going on in West Africa because what they are doing is "Unislamic" which I know is bullshit or tell me I shouldn't bring Islam into a child marriage debate when I know muslims are debating against it because it goes against the example of Mohammed.

    To me, being silenced in the name of "multicultural tolerance" will only give a free pass to them to transgress other people's rights which you have already covered well in your first paragraph before you went on anti-muslims and on multiculturalism

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #20 - July 24, 2013, 06:22 AM

    I bet the Aborigines are really glad to have Croats, Indians and Somalis aboard the SS Tokenism.

    At what point does history become irrelevant, Jila? Or once the thread of history has been cut, do you just keep re-cutting it at any point that suits you?

    I guess I need to add context to this. A few years ago under the conservative government there were a few policies that were causing distress and protests. Firstly, and the most important point in my eyes, the government's intervention in the school subject history. The GOVERNMENT employed people to rewrite Aussie history from a settler-sympathetic perspective. They white washed the murders and took a very pro settler perspective. You can argue that the winners write the history anyway, but there are evidence of "nigger hunting" and mass graves as part of this country's history that make this policy abhorrent and very aggressive and insensitive. I'll post the repercussions in a bit. Here is a funny little chart on how it was:

    Quote
    LIBERAL (Right)

    Settlement: a sterling example of Progress; shows what can be achieved by hard work and determination.
    Aborigines: a tragic people ill-equipped to deal with Progress; are to be pitied and gently (but firmly) put on the right path to material enlightenment.
    Trade Unions: the enemies of Progress; led by economic terrorists resentful of the good fortune of others.
    Migrants: absolutely vital to Progress; good factory fodder who have bolstered the construction and banking industries by agreeing to live in remote suburbs with stupid names.

    LABOR (centre right)

    Settlement: We are sorry for what we have done.
    Aborigines: a noble people who can teach us a lesson in the emptiness of materialism (as we negotiate the next phase of uranium mining). Again we are sorry.
    Trade Unions: the heart and soul of working Australia  — whatever the hell that is.
    Migrants: the bedrock of multiculturalism which is the model of inclusiveness. For calling you wogs, we are sorry.

    NATIONAL (who the fuck?)

    Settlement: the genesis (or Genesis) of the exciting opportunities offered to those with boundless energy and a shotgun.
    Aborigines: a tragic people and a nuisance frankly. Dot paintings make great designs for tea towels.
    Trade Unions: the enemy of the man on the land. Hand me the shotgun, son.
    Migrants: absolutely essential  — on a seasonal basis. If multiculturalism means some decent take-away  — Chinky for preference  — then all hail to it.

    GREENS (filthy leftists)

    Settlement: sadly, our forebears were not signatories to the Kyoto agreement and unaware of the benefits of recycle bins, dual flush and grey water on the veggie garden. A disaster. We should all leave RIGHT NOW.
    Aborigines: model custodians of the land whose traditional ownership we acknowledge at every opportunity.
    Trade Unions: the enemies of all things green with their selfish insistence on full employment.
    Migrants: a drain on vastly depleted natural resources. Should go home RIGHT NOW.

    FAMILY FIRST (Christian Fundies, ew)

    Settlement: God did enjoin us He him to subdue the earth and all its creatures and lo! it came to pass and He saw it was good.
    Aborigines: the tribe of Shem forever cast from God’s view.
    Trade Unions: the sad relic of godless communism; promoters of abortion, homos-xuality, divorce and fluoridisation
    Migrants: fifth columnists for the implementation of the global caliphate.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/12/05/lowbottom-high-diaries-history-written-by-committee/

    Point two: Aboriginals wanted a national apology which the government refused to do. Until the 70's they were still having their babies snatched and interbred without consent. Previous government said nope, no way, we're not saying sorry. Current government had a national apology. Was that so hard? It settled a lot of people down. It made some people happy, as weird as it sounds.

    Quote
    Or once the thread of history has been cut, do you just keep re-cutting it at any point that suits you?

    It really doesn't work that way does it? The government is constantly funding how they they want history to be told.
    It's a dynamic debate that's been on for years. EVERY single ANZAC day, there is a protest. It is about a historical setting of our cities and celebration, one of complete exclusion. To have government edicts about what should be the historical fabric of a nation is rubbish, especially when there is proof events that they tried to brush under the carpet.
    The ANZAC celebration happens to be a day of mourning for the natives, so every year, they and their supporters hit the street in protest.

    Did I make it sound like I want to cut history out? I didn't mean it that way. I mean history is a multi narrative of events and having one white washed version that takes precedent over the others is out of whack! Especially in this context.

    Now, to the flags: Before, it was illegal to put the Aboriginal flag around the memorials. People used to leave little flags everywhere and they get chucked out. Driving through there now, the flags were on huge poles, high in the sky, moving with the wind. Not directly at the ANZAC memorial, a few hundred meters away.  I felt relieved and proud. It's symbolic more than anything.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #21 - July 24, 2013, 06:26 AM

    @Jila; I think you misunderstood my point(and billy's as well) when I'm talking about the people that preaches "multicultural tolerance", I'm talking about the leftist who ,for example thinks we shouldn't criticize Islam for the terrorist activities that is going on in West Africa because what they are doing is "Unislamic" which I know is bullshit or tell me I shouldn't bring Islam into a child marriage debate when I know muslims are debating against it because it goes against the example of Mohammed.

    I see...Thanks for clarifying. Yeah we always talk from different contexts. I never consider that^ for example because I live here and I talk from my own perspective. But I do accept it.

    Quote
    you have already covered well in your first paragraph before you went on anti-muslims and on multiculturalism

    I went on about it some more, enjoy Tongue

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #22 - July 24, 2013, 08:46 AM

    Did I make it sound like I want to cut history out? I didn't mean it that way. I mean history is a multi narrative of events and having one white washed version that takes precedent over the others is out of whack!

    Perhaps I misunderstood you. I got a slight 'We're here now' vibe from your comment about ditching the British version of settler history and having a new, multicultural version of, er, settler history.

    I have a problem with the New World, I'm afraid - the cutting of the thread of history, the subsequent invention of identity (which can't of course be invented), the mealy-mouthed efforts at atonement.

    (By New World I mean North America, Australasia and the most flagrantly genocidal of the Latin American countries - so Argentina, but not Mexico.)
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #23 - July 24, 2013, 10:51 AM

    The US (mostly Texas from what I can tell, but they publish the school books) are also trying to rewrite history. I have a fundamental problem with that. It happened and the lessons must never be forgot. Doesn't mean you personally are responsible. I know back in the day my own ancestors, people I'm directly descended from, were in chains. I'm sure centuries later they had slaves themselves or at least were part of the slave trade. I don't feel guilty for that, nor do I harbour ill will towards the decedents of those who enslaved my ancestors. Know why? Because the people alive now are not responsible for the crimes of those long dead.

    Whitewashing history is just wrong, and cowardly.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why I have the fundamental right to "offend" Islam
     Reply #24 - July 24, 2013, 12:55 PM

    To Billy and Cato, RE: multiculturalism:
    The other day I felt proud driving through the city, and flag after flag I was looking at was the Aboriginal flag. I would rather resettle than live in a place that tries to teach people that there are no other groups besides the stupid one narrative of history (British) that keeps getting regurgitated to us. It's already blown up way out of proportion, and fast becoming irrelevant to us as a nation of MULTICULTURAL people who built our lives here, and have different stories to tell. Why trash multiculturalism as if extremists alone benefit from it? If you do that, you can trash anything else that they benefit from right? It's like you forget every other group in existence that is allowed dignity through multiculturalism. What do we have besides it? And not some right wing definition of it that limits it to Islam, but a legal social movement that challenges the old and allows non conventional people to fit in.


    I think you're misreading me, Jila.  I said that some people believe that 'multicultural tolerance' consists of marginalising, ignoring or silencing the voices of dissenters about religious ideas. This links into the agenda of religious reactionaries who use this as a method of silencing dissent by claiming that it offends them, or violates their 'identity' which is defined by religious taboo. Ex-Muslims are really at the forefront of this silencing, but other people are too.

    This is actually the opposite of a culture that "challenges the old and allows non conventional people to fit in"

    Its possible to oppose this and still be open to manifold ways of living, histories and narratives. This is what we should all aspire to: cosmopolitanism and pluralism. Which is a state of mind, a culture, an intellectual idea as well as a simple description of social reality.

    Kenan Malik has written about this really well. The whole piece is worth reading.

    Quote
    'It's good to be different' might be the motto of our times. The celebration of difference, respect for pluralism, avowal of identity politics - these are regarded the hallmarks of a progressive, antiracist outlook.

    Belief in pluralism and the multicultural society is so much woven into the fabric of our lives that we rarely stand back to question some of its assumptions. As the American academic, and former critic of pluralism, Nathan Glazer puts it in the title of a recent book, We are All Multiculturalists Now.

    I want to question this easy assumption that pluralism is self-evidently good. I want to show, rather, that the notion of pluralism is both logically flawed and politically dangerous, and that creation of a 'multicultural' society has been at the expense of a more progressive one.

    Proponents of multiculturalism usually put forward two kinds of arguments in its favour. First, they claim that multiculturalism is the only means of ensuring a tolerant and democratic polity in a world in which there are deep-seated conflicts between cultures embodying different values. This argument is often linked to the claim that the attempt to establish universal norms inevitably leads to racism and tyranny. Second, they suggest that human beings have a basic, almost biological, need for cultural attachments. This need can only be satisfied, they argue, by publicly validating and protecting different cultures. Both arguments are, I believe, deeply flawed.

    The case for 'value pluralism' has probably been best put by the late philosopher Isaiah Berlin. 'Life may be seen through many windows', he wrote, 'none of them necessarily clear or opaque, less or more distorting than any of the others'. For Berlin, there was no such thing as a universal truth, only a variety of conflicting truths. Different peoples and cultures had different values, beliefs and truths, each of which may be regarded as valid. Many of these values and truths were incommensurate, by which Berlin meant that not only are they incompatible, but they were incomparable, because there was no common language we could use to compare the one with the other. As the philosopher John Gray has put it, 'There is no impartial or universal viewpoint from which the claims of all particular cultures can be rationally assessed. Any standpoint we adopt is that of a particular form of life and the historic practices that constitute it.' Given the incommensurability of cultural values, pluralism, Berlin argued, was the best defence against tyranny and against ideologies, such as racism, which treated some human beings as less equal than others.

    This argument for pluralism is, as many have pointed out, logically flawed. If it is true that 'any standpoint we adopt is that of a particular form of life and the historic practices that constitute it', then this must apply to pluralism too. A pluralist, in other words, can never claim that plural society is better, since, according his own argument, 'There is no impartial or universal viewpoint from which the claims of all particular cultures can be rationally assessed'. Once you dispense with the idea of universal norms, then no argument can possess anything more than, at best, local validity.

    Many multiculturalists argue not simply that cultural values are incommensurate, but that also that different cultures should be treated equal respect. The American scholar Iris Young, for instance, writes that 'groups cannot be socially equal unless their specific, experience, culture and social contributions are publicly affirmed and recognised.'

    The demand for equal recognition is, however, at odds with the claim that cultures are incommensurate. To treat different cultures with equal respect (indeed to treat them with any kind of respect at all) we have to be able to compare one with the other. If values are incommensurate, such comparisons are simply not possible. The principle of difference cannot provide any standards that oblige us to respect the 'difference' of others. At best, it invites our indifference to the fate of the Other. At worst it licenses us to hate and abuse those who are different. Why, after all, should we not abuse and hate them? On what basis can they demand our respect or we demand theirs? It is very difficult to support respect for difference without appealing to some universalistic principles of equality or social justice. And it is the possibility of establishing just such universalistic principle that has been undermined by the embrace of a pluralistic outlook.

    Equality requires a common yardstick, or measure of judgement, not a plurality of meanings. As the philosopher Richard Rorty observes, the embrace of diversity and the desire for equality are not easily compatible. For Rorty, those whom he calls 'Enlightenment liberals' face a seemingly irresolvable dilemma in their pursuit of both equality and diversity:

    Their liberalism forces them to call any doubts about human equality a result of irrational bias. Yet their connoisseurship [of diversity] forces them to realise that most of the globe's inhabitants do not believe in equality, that such a belief is a Western eccentricity. Since they think it would be shockingly ethnocentric to say 'So what? We Western liberals do believe in it, and so much the better for us', they are stuck.
    Rorty himself, a self-avowed 'postmodern bourgeois liberal', solves the problem by arguing that 'equality is good for "us" but not necessarily for "them". We can see here how the argument for incommensurability leads not to equal respect for, but to an indifference to, all other cultures.

    Equality arises from fact that humans are political creatures and possess a capacity for culture. But the fact that all humans possess a capacity for culture does not mean that all cultures are equal. 'We know one of the realest experiences in cultural life', the art critic Robert Hughes has observed, 'is that of inequalities between books and musical performances and paintings and other works of art'. Much the same could be said about all cultural and political forms. Some ideas, some technologies, some political systems are better than others. And some societies and some cultures are better than others: more just, more free, more enlightened, and more conducive to human progress. Indeed the very idea of equality is historically specific: the product of the Enlightenment and the political and intellectual revolutions that it unleashed.

    The idea of the equality of cultures (as opposed to the equality of human beings) denies one of the critical features of human life and human history: our capacity for social, moral and technological progress. What distinguishes humans from other creatures is capacity for innovation and transformation, for making ideas and artefacts that are not simply different but also often better, than those of a previous generation or another culture. It is no coincidence that the modern world has been shaped by the ideas and technologies that have emerged from Renaissance and Enlightenment. The scientific method, democratic politics, the concept of universal values - these are palpably better concepts than those that existed previously. Not because Europeans are a superior people, but because many of the idea and philosophies that came out of the European Renaissance and Enlightenment are superior.

    To argue this today is, of course, to invite the charge of 'Eurocentrism', or even racism. This simply demonstrates the irrationality of contemporary notions of 'racism' and 'antiracism'. Those who actually fought Western imperialism over the past two centuries recognised that their struggles were rooted in the Enlightenment tradition. 'I denounce European colonialist scholarship', wrote CLR James, the West Indian writer and political revolutionary. 'But I respect the learning and the profound discoveries of Western civilisation.'

    Frantz Fanon, one of the great voices of postwar third world nationalism, similarly argued that the problem was not Enlightenment philosophy but the failure of Europeans to follow through its emancipatory logic. 'All the elements of a solution to the great problems of humanity have, at different times, existed in European thought', he argued. 'But Europeans have not carried out in practice the mission that fell to them.'

    Western liberals were often shocked by the extent to which anti-colonial movement adopted what they considered to be tainted ideas. The concepts of universalism and unilinear evolutionism, the French anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss observed, found 'unexpected support from peoples who desire nothing more than to share in the benefits of industrialisation; peoples who prefer to look upon themselves as temporarily backward than permanently different'. Elsewhere he noted ruefully that the doctrine of cultural relativism 'was challenged by the very people for whose moral benefit the anthropologists had established it in the first place'.

    Multiculturalists have turned their back on universalist conceptions not because such conceptions are racist but because they have given up on the possibility of economic and social change. We live in an age in which there is considerable disillusionment with politics as an agency of change, and in which possibilities of social transformation seem to have receded. What is important about human beings, many have come to believe, is not their political capacity but their cultural attachments. Such pessimism has led to multiculturalists to conflate the idea of humans as culture-bearing creatures with the idea that humans have to bear a particular culture.

    Clearly no human can live outside of culture. But to say this is not to say they have to live inside a particular one. To view humans as culture-bearing is to view them as social beings, and hence as transformative beings. It suggests that humans have the capacity for change, for progress, and for the creation of universal moral and political forms through reason and dialogue.

    To view humans as having to bear specific cultures is, on the contrary, to deny such a capacity for transformation. It suggests that every human being is so shaped by a particular culture that to change or undermine that culture would be to undermine the very dignity of that individual. It suggests that the biological fact of, say, Bangladeshi ancestry somehow make a human being incapable of living well except as a participant of Bangladeshi culture. The idea of culture once connoted all that freed humans from the blind weight of tradition, has now, in the hands of multiculturalists, become identified with that very burden.

    Multiculturalism is the product of political defeat. The end of the Cold War, the collapse of the left, the defeat of most liberation movements in the third world and the demise of social movements in the West, have all transformed political consciousness. The quest for equality has increasingly been abandoned in favour of the claim to a diverse society. Campaigning for equality means challenging accepted practices, being willing to march against the grain, to believe in the possibility of social transformation. Conversely, celebrating differences between peoples allows us to accept society as it is - it says little more than 'We live in a diverse world, enjoy it'. As the American writer Nancy Fraser has put it, 'The remedy required to redress injustice will be cultural recognition, as opposed to political-economic redistribution.' Indeed so deeply attached are multiculturalists to the idea of cultural, as opposed to economic or political justice, that David Bromwich is led to wonder whether intellectuals today would oppose economic slavery if it lacked any racial or cultural dimension.

    Not only is the demand for the 'recognition' the product of political pessimism, it has also become a potential means of implementing deeply authoritarian policies. Consider, for instance, Tariq Modood's distinction between what he calls the 'equality of individualism' and the 'equality encompassing public ethnicity: equality as not having to hide or apologise for one's origins, family or community, but requiring others to show respect for them, and adapt public attitudes and arrangements so that the heritage they represent is encouraged rather than contemptuously expect them to wither away.'

    Why should I, as an atheist, be expected to show respect for Christian, Islamic or Jewish cultures whose views and arguments I often find reactionary and often despicable? Why should public arrangements be adapted to fit in with the backward, misogynistic, homophobic claims that religions make? What is wrong with me wishing such cultures to 'wither away'? And how, given that I do view these and many other cultures with contempt, am I supposed to provide them with respect, without disrespecting my own views? Only, the philosopher Brian Barry suggests 'with a great deal of encouragement from the Politically Correct Thought Police'.

    The thought police are already at work. On more than one occasion over the past decade I have been refused permission by both newspaper and radio editors to quote Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses because it was considered to cause too much 'offence'. The McPherson inquiry into Stephen Lawrence argued that even racist comments made in the privacy of the home should be made a criminal offence. Thankfully, this suggestion has so far been ignored politically. Many multiculturalists, however, wish to go further still, demanding that all private thought and feelings be subject to political scrutiny. Iris Young welcomes what she calls 'the continuing effort to politicise vast areas of institutional, social and cultural life.' Politics, she suggests, 'concerns all aspects of institutional organisation, public action, social practices and habits, and cultural meanings'. 'The process of politicising habits, feelings and expressions of fantasy and desire', can Young believes, 'foster a cultural revolution'.

    Culture, faith, lifestyle, feelings - these are all aspects of our private lives and should be of no concern to the state or other public authorities. Multiculturalist policies inevitably bring to mind George Orwell's description in 1984 - 'A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police... His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression on his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in his sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body are all jealously scrutinised.'

    The irony of multiculturalism is that, as a political process, it undermines what is valuable about cultural diversity. Diversity is important, not in and of itself, but because it allows us to expand our horizons, to compare and contrast different values, beliefs and lifestyles, and make judgements upon them. In other words, because it allows us to engage in political dialogue and debate that can help create more universal values and beliefs, and a collective language of citizenship. But it is precisely such dialogue and debate, and the making of such judgements, that contemporary multiculturalism attempts to suppress in the name of 'tolerance' and 'respect'.

    A truly plural society would be one in which citizens have full freedom to pursue their different values or practices in private, while in the public sphere all citizens would be treated as political equals whatever the differences in their private lives. Today, however, pluralism has come to mean the very opposite. The right to practice a particular religion, speak a particular language, follow a particular cultural practice is seen as a public good rather than a private freedom. Different interest groups demand to have their 'differences' institutionalised in the public sphere. And to enforce such a vision we have to call in the Thought Police.

    Multiculturalism is an authoritarian, anti-human outlook. True political progress requires not recognition but action, not respect but questioning, not the invocation of the Thought Police but the forging of common bonds and collective struggles.

     


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