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 Topic: Leaving religion/ Atheism link

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  • Leaving religion/ Atheism link
     OP - April 06, 2013, 11:55 AM

    Hi Everyone,

      I keep thinking about this and would love to get inputs from everyone.

       I am not really sure why leaving Islam( or any other faith) in mostly synonymous with there being No God whatsoever existing.
      Granted debunking Islam certainly debunks Allah, with all Jahanam, and all pain and physical threats with which the Quran promises us, which is a very good thing.

      But does it mean there is no God of sorts, or a lets say and intelligent "thing "behind creation, behind the laws of physics and nature ?  Or then if such a being exists thats ok, but do not call it God.

     I mean we can attribute creation the big bang, and then proceed to  find what caused that, then find what caused what caused that, etc..., but will that ever answer the question what made those causes they way they are ?

     Then we can come and say a GOD did it - AHA ! But then we will apply the same question, how did he come to be ?

     So in a way both propositions of either a creator or negation of a creator come to the same- What came before that ? And both opposing camps remain silent.

    So that leads me to think that debunking a religion is easy to do, but arguing over the existence of a supreme entity is really an exercise in dogmatic opposing claims being hurled between believer and non believers.

    Religion and supreme creator and separate ideas, though religions and atheists tend to argue they are not.

    Challenging religions will make it easy to make believers let go of irrational faith. Challenging/Proving the existence of God on the other hand, gives neither argument the upper hand
     
     thnkyu






    اه, يا ولاد الكدابة
  • Leaving religion/ Atheism link
     Reply #1 - April 06, 2013, 12:24 PM

    hello se7son.. greetings and my good wishes to you.. I haven't read your posts but you have asked great questions that have very simple answers..

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       I am not really sure why leaving Islam( or any other faith) in mostly synonymous with there being No God whatsoever existing.
      Granted debunking Islam certainly debunks Allah, with all Jahanam, and all pain and physical threats with which the Quran promises us, which is a very good thing
    .

    Who said,  that leaving Islam( or any other faith) in mostly synonymous with there being No God whatsoever existing.?  .. No..no.,  you can have YOUR GOD, that is not a problem..    but what is god in your neck of the world  or  in your imagination?

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    But does it mean there is no God of sorts, or a lets say and  "intelligent thing" behind creation, behind the laws of physics and nature ?  Or then if such a being exists thats ok, but do not call it God.

    again what is god?  is your god a  "THING"?   and why do we need a "THING" (sounds like "THONG")   behind the laws of physics? You can say that,  there may be new laws of physics that we yet to discover behind the present laws of physics.. but Why do you need a "THINGY" for that?    you can call it as  "laws of Physics" Chemistry, Math. Biology.. etc..etc..

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    I mean we can attribute creation the big bang, and then proceed to  find what caused that, then find what caused what caused that, etc...

    Nothing is unquestionable including "big Bang".. Bang..bang...,
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    but will that ever answer the question what made those causes they way they are ?

    neither that question is unquestionable.,   As far as  " the way they are" is  concerned ,  Yes presently "the way they are" and we need to explore "why they are the way they are["?  ,, Keep options open.

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    Then we can come and say a GOD did it - AHA ! But then we will apply the same question, how did he come to be ?

    good question.. that is the way to go....

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    So in a way both propositions of either a creator or negation of a creator come to the same- What came before that ? And both opposing camps remain silent.

    No no. they are NOT silent, they are making noise. Religious bums used to make only noise., not only that they used to control who makes noise.. they still control ... And thanks to internet "That is slipping away from their hands..  

     
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    So that leads me to think that debunking a religion is easy to do, but arguing over the existence of a supreme entity is really an exercise in dogmatic opposing claims being hurled between believer and non believers.

     ] Frankly speaking no one cares arguing about super duper dopeee .. as long as you don't rub your dope on others and other don't rub their dope on yours..
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    Religion and supreme creator and separate ideas, though religions and atheists tend to argue they are not.

     who cares?  And why care about that?  It makes no difference for life and for this  universe  Again one should not force their ideas of silly "super duper dope" on others..

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    Challenging religions will make it easy to make believers let go of irrational faith.  Challenging/Proving the existence of God on the other hand, gives neither argument the upper hand

    Again it doesn't matter .. who gets upper hand or lower hand., it is irrelevant..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Leaving religion/ Atheism link
     Reply #2 - April 07, 2013, 06:06 AM

    Regardless, scientific analysis is the best way to go in searching for these answers, even if these answers are never found.
  • Leaving religion/ Atheism link
     Reply #3 - April 07, 2013, 06:22 AM

    If a creator god exists but didn't make any revelation and doesn't want us to worship him, his existence is irrelevant and whether you believed in him or not doesn't matter.

    There is such a thing as deism, but really, how different is it from atheism as far as practice goes?
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