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  • On My Way Out of Islam
     OP - October 23, 2013, 03:26 PM

    Hi everyone!

    I don't know how to start this so I guess I'll just go right in.

    I am currently a college student living in the states and still living with my parents. I was raised in Islam and shown, for the most part, the "beautiful" sides of it. I started to wear the headscarf at eight after my father asked me to and made the choice to wear the full hijab at eleven, a year after I began going to an Islamic school. At my school, I began to feel very guilty for being lazy with my prayers and committed myself fully to them and began to fast when I was eleven. Even though I don't plan on doing either anymore, I'll admit those first few years of fasting and praying with my friends were fun. I think it was more because I enjoyed being apart of the group rather than actually enjoying what I did. Once I hit my teen years, I became lazy and stopped praying unless it was Ramadan or someone told me to (my parents would remind me but never force me to, they left the forcing to hijab).

    In middle school, I remember my friends and I began to become very annoyed with our teachers and administration. They were very hard on the girls compared to the boys. It was a known fact that if a girl got caught talking to a boy (yes, they were that strict), she risked getting sent to the office. At first, we attributed any flaws we found in Islam to our teachers (i.e. "They're just not teaching it right!" or my favorite, "They're not even good Muslims!") For a few years, I became very bored with my Islamic studies classes and stopped paying attention as much. I became friends with boys, thinking, "Surely Allah won't care, and if he does, I'll jut repent later". When I became friends with a gay boy, I was finally forced to confront the ugly parts of Islam I had purposely ignored. I asked my teacher later if being gay was genetic or as acceptable/real as being straight, because I truly believed it was. He said that "It was real, and Islam, unlike other religions *coughcoughchristianity*, acknowledged it." I remember being so happy when he said that and I asked him immediately if gay people could be Muslims. He said, yes, they could, but only if they didn't have sex. The way he said it, he sounded like it was the most merciful thing anyone had ever said.

    You can imagine my reaction.

    From that day forward, I went from ignoring certain things in Islam to begrudgingly accepting it all, the good and the bad. Fast forward a few years, and a boy I used to go to school with committed suicide after being bullied for being Muslim and openly gay. With all of the complaints I have about my old school (and trust me, I have a lot), it was NEVER the type of school that made you feel threatened or uncomfortable. Bullying never happened. Nobody ever fought. So you can imagine the shock it had on the community. When I talked to friends about it later, saying it didn't make sense to me why anyone would bother him, let alone bully. Who cared if he was gay? My friends all replied, "But what can we do? Being gay is against Islam. That's what Allah said."

    At that point I slowly tiptoed into liberal Islam, but I shied away from it quickly and put all of my problems on the back burner and threw myself into some projects over the summer. Then in September, a friend of mine and I begin to talk about feminism which led to a talk about feminism and Islam which led to her confessing that she had at one time been so disappointed that she was tempted to deconvert (she hasn't). To be honest, I was in shock. I don't know how I finished that conversation because I checked out at that exact moment. I had never thought of leaving Islam. That was never an option. But when she said it, it almost made it... okay. Or at least okay to think about it. I searched online for ex-Muslim testimonies, but quickly chickened out and instead read up on ex-Christian testimonies. In a lot of the testimonies, the former Christians kept mentioning the fact that the bible allowed slavery was one of the reasons why they left their religion. I became curious about Islam's stance on slavery, searched it up, read up on concubines and laughed to myself thinking, "This can't be real... oh no wait it is."

    Which brings me here.

    I have been lurking on this forum for a few weeks. At first it was because I was curious because I had never heard of ex-Muslims. I'll admit at first that I was put off by the language people used when describing the prophet (pedophile, pervert, etc.) because I was still a practicing Muslim. I left the website and when my doubts in Islam began to show up more and more, I came back and never left. Thank you all for your wonderful posts  Afro

    I am not an "ex-Muslim" yet. Nor am I an "ex-hijabi" (one day!). I would consider myself to be apart of the awkward middle right now. I know I can't go back to believing, but I'm still not certain enough to be a disbeliever. And I'll be honest, hell still scares me. I hope that by coming on here and talking with all of you, I can learn more about Islam and also if any of you have great and acceptable tafsir and sira (acceptable by Muslims so when I do deconvert I have something I can use against them), that would be great, thanks!  thnkyu

    Also sorry for the super long post  lipsrsealed

    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #1 - October 23, 2013, 04:12 PM

    Welcome to the forum. Have a parrot. parrot

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #2 - October 23, 2013, 04:28 PM

     parrot parrot parrot parrot

    I don't think being gay is exclusively genetic. I think it is "caused" by a complex interplay of a variety of factors, especially the biological uterine environment as indicated by recent evidence. All in all though, there is certainly no evidence for homosexuality being a conscious choice.
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #3 - October 23, 2013, 06:07 PM

    Quote
    And I'll be honest, hell still scares me.


    How would u define hell? Have u noticed that in every culture or religion there are two extremes of afterlife? So the notion of hell and heaven is not exclusively an islamic notion. The notion of hell and heaven also means different things in different cultures or religions. Hence the notions of hell and heaven are very relative. Bear this in mind. I have always questioned why the socalled prophets who got their revelations were concentrated in a certain area. They are all from the Middle East!How come?   If the socalled prophets would got their revelations at for example the Northpole, than hell would be perceived as a very cold place . How notions as heaven or hell are perceived depends on your references.

    Be confident and have faith in your reason and your senses. There is nothing wrong with trial and error when exploring a true free and reasonable life. We are all given senses with some reason. Use them to liberate yourself!

    I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.
    ― Albert Einstein
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #4 - October 23, 2013, 06:14 PM

    Welcome Cheesy

    My advice
    Just be yourself. Don't worry about being the best Muslim just be the best human being you can be and start from there.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #5 - October 23, 2013, 06:21 PM

    Welcome Ex-Hijabi

    Being gay is against Islam. That's what Allah said."


    Where does he say that?
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #6 - October 23, 2013, 06:27 PM

    Welcome Smiley  parrot
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #7 - October 23, 2013, 06:41 PM

    Welcome Smiley. Take a good look on the forum if you will


    I hope that by coming on here and talking with all of you, I can learn more about Islam and also if any of you have great and acceptable tafsir and sira (acceptable by Muslims so when I do deconvert I have something I can use against them), that would be great, thanks!  thnkyu



    I should tell you this so you wont get ahead of yourself. Muslims wont care how bad the religion can be (christians are the same).

    Narrated Anas bin Malik: A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you should join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, "They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.")
    Sahih Bukhari 4:52:261

    This is one of my favorites to point out but it never even fazes pious muslims. I also love to point out the Book of suckling in Sahih Muslim. I'm just warning you, most muslims don't really care. Say what you want. Quote the most bloody thing out of Bukhari. It wont matter because they have Faith goggles

    But anyway welcome Smiley  parrot

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #8 - October 23, 2013, 06:48 PM

    How would u define hell? Have u noticed that in every culture or religion there are two extremes of afterlife?


    Not true.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #9 - October 23, 2013, 06:51 PM

    Not true.


    Agreed in greek culture, everybody just traveled on the river of stix, at the end of their lives

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #10 - October 23, 2013, 06:59 PM

    Such nice replies, thanks, guys!

    @ Kutta: I think it was on the news recently that they actually found a "gay gene", but I can't remember where I heard that from. But what I meant was what you said - that it wasn't a choice. Smiley

    @ ipek: To be honest when I take the time to think about it, I know hell is a ridiculous concept (especially when in Islam, it doesn't matter how horrible a Muslims is, as long as he's/she's Muslim, he/she eventually goes to heaven? makes no sense), but it's hard to shake 22 years of Islam off in just a few months. It's going to take me some time. And how do I define hell? I tend to follow the Islamic version. Not pretty.  cool2

    @ Tonyt: Though I went to a Sunni Islamic school, I think my Islamic studies teacher was Sufi or some other more liberal sect of Islam. So by him, gay people were fine, as long as they weren't gay. Or something.  Tongue

    @ Sam Brent: I'm just starting to understand that. But I guess the reason I want to know this is that I want my family/friends to know that I'm not leaving Islam because "I want to stop wearing hijab" or "I want to be Western" or whatever other reason they might think of. Regardless of whether or not they accept it, I want them to know that the religion of Islam and the prophet were the reasons why I left. That's why I'm hoping to get great and generally acceptable examples from sira and tafseer to show them. I don't care if they try to explain it away or say "God knows best", as long as they know I have my reasons, that's good enough for me. And hey, maybe they'll deconvert too if they see the proof I have that Islam is not the beautiful religion we were taught to believe.  dance

     thnkyu


    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #11 - October 23, 2013, 07:34 PM

    Well let's start with this.

    Quote
    Debunking Jahannam: Why Islamic Hell Is Not Real by happy murtad

    There are few concepts that have haunted the human psyche more perverse and absurd than that of an eternal hell.

    Jahannam, Islam’s rendition of the fiery abode of the damned, is an exceptionally gruesome world of endless torture and grotesque physical anguish.

    The Quran, the sacred text of Islam—believed by millions of Muslims to be the unchanged pronouncements of an all merciful God, is quite literally filled with countless obscene and ugly descriptions of the torment that is said to await billions of non-Muslim souls and even an untold number of Muslim souls.

    Muslims are actively encouraged to live in a constant state of terror at the prospect of being banished to Jahannam for all eternity, as the Qur’an states “Fear ye the fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers!” Surah 2:24

    What is more, generation upon generation of Muslim children have been frightened into submission with nightmare-inducing scenes of suffering from Allah’s custom designed torture lair. The fear of hell is often reported as the single-most disturbing Islamic facet that lingers on, even after one has come to the rational conclusion that Islam is not true.

    “The day they shall be dragged through the fire on their faces, taste ye the touch of hell!” Surah 54:48

    “Those who shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels!”  Surah 47:15

    “Verily, with Us are fetters (to bind them), and a raging Fire. And a food that chokes, and a painful torment.” Surah 73:12

    “But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!" Surah 22:19-22


    Whilst torment by fire, iron maces, and bowel-tearing water are undoubtedly a clear violation of the Geneva Convention against Torture, there exist still in today’s modern world those who would adamantly assert that such cruel and unusual punishments are morally justifiable. While a marginal number of interpreters would assert that these verses are merely allegorical, a great deal more throughout the ages have taken these descriptions of pain and bodily harm with dead seriousness.

    They would attempt unimpressive twists of logical gymnastics in a feat to explain that not only is such a deranged sentence true, it is also a wise and fitting judgement that ought to be imposed upon the vast majority of humanity.

    In the same vein, and without the slightest perception of irony, advocates for the necessity of such a depraved notion will concede that it is entirely the brainchild and construction of a God who dubs himself “the most merciful of those who show mercy.”

    The inhabitants of Islamic hell are not simply the hedonist tyrants of the days of old. They are the billions upon billions of people who did not reach the less than obvious conclusion that Islam was God’s only religion.

    They are our colleagues, our doctors, our teachers, our mail men, our friends, and often times, our family.

    They are fellow human beings.

    Now, if Allah is indeed all knowing and all powerful, then he knew in advance that billions of these poor souls would be cast unto such unspeakable tortures, mostly on account of the beliefs they happened to be indoctrinated with from birth.  He could have given all of them guidance and saved them from such a fate, but he chose not to. As Allah is quoted as saying in the Qur’an, “If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together." Surah 32:13


    This is troubling on many levels. Would it not be more merciful for him to simply not create the inhabitants of hell to start off with?

    And if, for reasons beyond our comprehension, Allah was compelled to create humanity as he did, and was compelled to punish billions of them for their failures and transgressions as he will, then would not a death sentence be sufficient? Why could he not just cause them to stop existing if he is angered by them so much? Why is it necessary to keep them alive in order to sadistically subject them to eternal torture?

    Consider for a moment the example of a rich man who anonymously sends money to his many poor children. These children, who have never seen their father, differ with each other about his true identity. Some of these children believe the milk man to be their father. Others believe the local judge to be their father. Still, some of the children curse their father for his absence. Nonetheless, the father continues to send money to his children. What would we say about such a father if on the day he finally revealed himself to his children, he physically punished them in a state of anger for their ignorance as to his true identity? What more would we say if he tortured them with fire and hooks, deliberately keeping them on the cusp of life so that they should gain no respite from his rage? Consider that every time they fell unconscious, he injected them with a dose of substance to reawaken them and heighten their capacity to feel pain. What might we say of such a father?


    Indeed, the descriptions of hell in the Qur’an seem to have more befittingly arisen in the mind of a deranged sadist than in the wise plan of an all merciful god.

    As we find it highly suspicious that an all-wise and all merciful deity could find within himself no better method of administering the eternal fate of billions of human souls, it is our duty to also call the history of such silly claims into the light of scrutiny.

    It is no secret that Islam borrows heavily from the lore and legend of earlier Jewish and Christian writings. Islam acknowledges the mission and scripture of messengers such as Noah, Moses, and Abraham. One would therefore rightfully expect to find at least one example of said patriarchs warning their people against the blazing fires and unspeakable torments said to await the disbeliever.

    Instead, we find no references to anything resembling Islamic hell in the Taurah (Torah). As the alleged destination for countless a wayward soul, jahannam is curiously absent from the writings of the earliest Hebrew prophets. Instead, the word that is sometimes translated as “hell” in Hebrew scripture is the Hebrew word “sheol,” which actually just means “grave” or “pit,” and is also translated as such into English many times.

    While these alternate translations seem to lend credence to the idea of the early inception of a jahannam-styled hell, sheol was the destination of all living men, regardless of their righteousness. It is defined by early biblical scholars as simply the place or state of the dead. It is a shadowy, non-physical existence that encompasses the gloom and decay of death, but does not imply torment.

    The following are examples of how the word “sheol” is understood in the Torah to simply mean grave:

      "Ye shall bring down my gray hairs with sorrow to the grave." Gen. xvii 38. "I will go down to the grave to my son mourning." xxxviii 35. "O that thou wouldst hide me in the grave!" Job xiV 13. "My life draweth nigh to the grave." Ps. lxxxviiI 3. "In the grave who shall give thee thanks?" lxxxvi 5. "Our bones are scattered at the grave's mouth." cxlI 7. "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecc. ix. 10. "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there." Ps. cxxxix. 8. "Hell from beneath is moved to meet thee, at thy coming. It stirreth up the dead for thee," &c. Isaiah xiV 9-15.
     (Thayer, 1855)

     In the days of the Hebrew prophets, Allah did not threaten his detractors with blazing fires. Instead, a reading of the Jewish bible will show that the righteous were rewarded with worldly riches and power. Incentives to be righteous included a prolonged life, healthy offspring, abundant livestock (donkeys, goats, cattle, etc) and victory over one’s enemies. Earthquakes, floods, disease, and defeat were all interpreted as signs of divine disfavor.  Once a human being was dead, they were dead. In sheol, there were no blazing flames, no iron maces, no choking fruits, and no molten brass. These ideas would only be born much, much later.

    Jesus of Nazareth, known for his use of the parable, was the first to speak of Gehenna, the indisputable root of the Arabic phrase Jahannam.

    Gehenna, or the Valley of Hinnom, was a well known, physical location on the outskirts of Jerusalem. In olden days, certain idolatrous Jews would sacrifice doves, livestock, and their own babies to appease pagan gods. As the Jews were admonished back into the worship of a singular deity, the place became a wretched dump, receiving the town’s rubbish, the decaying bodies of animals, and the worm-ridden corpses of executed criminals. There were perpetual fires necessary to control the filth and stench, and the decay of the place became a thing of infamy. When Jesus spoke of the fires of Gehanna, his listeners would have received a powerful mental image, a hell. Someone who committed a crime worthy of Gehanna had committed a serious offence indeed. (Schleusner)

    The writers of early Christian scripture, who were directly influenced by earlier Greek ideas of the underworld Hades, embellished greatly upon the concept of hell. Sheol and Gehenna were both translated as hell and modeled largely on the Greek ideas of Tartarus in Hades. Tartarus, both a deity and a gloomy abyss of torment in the afterlife, was believed to be a place of suffering for the wicked within the Greek underworld. Indeed, Hades and Tartarus were used interchangeably to refer to hell in the Greek versions of the New Testament.   

    This is not a surprising turn. As Christianity emerged and spread during the oppressive reign of the pagan Roman Empire, the faithful were at a loss to explain why God’s favor was not being showered upon the righteous in the form of prosperity and victory.

    This idea is common in the apocalyptic writings of the time, and the notion emerged that God must be waiting until an afterlife to reward the righteous and punish the sinful. Heaven and hell seemed like suitable replacements for goats and diseases, respectively.

    Many centuries later, Muhammad would pick up on these ideas of Gehenna and Tartarus to use them for his own purposes. Having nothing to offer his followers of a worldly nature in return for their absolute obedience, Muhammad built upon the Christian ideas of heaven and hell, threatening his detractors with Jahannam and promising Jannah to his followers. While the New Testament spoke of Gehanna only 12 times, Muhammad made more than 75 references to Jahannam in the Qur’an. Not to be outdone by the Christian writers, Muhammad added significantly to the countless torture tactics that jahannam has become notorious for today.The amount of times that blazing fires and endless torments of all sorts are mentioned are too many to count.

     Muhammad threatened the Arab tribes with hell not simply for being immoral, but for not obeying his every command, for not financing his campaigns, and for not going to battle for his cause. Similarly, as an incentive, the Kingdom of Heaven became filled with lush palm trees, rivers, wine, and full-breasted maidens.  It was manipulation of the worst kind that has lived on to this day.

     As part of our basic instincts, all living beings have a natural aversion to death. This manifests itself through our struggle to survive against all odds. As human beings who are consciously aware of our impending worldly demise, the concept of an afterlife can be comforting. When this yearning for eternal existence is manipulated through extravagant bribes and threats of torture, it can have a lasting effect on the mind.

    Fortunately, there really is no reason to fear. Everything about the descriptions of heaven and hell in the Qur’an suggest that they were invented only to appeal to the base desires, fantasies, and fears of the desert tribes Muhammad was trying to recruit.

    I alluded earlier to the Geneva Convention on torture. It is important to note the great strides of progress that the nations of the world have accomplished by recognizing and banning the evil of torture. Article 1 of the convention defines torture as “any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person…” Article 2 goes on to ban all forms of torture and states that “no exceptional circumstances whatsoever" may be invoked to justify it. It compels signer states to take measures to prevent torture in all territories under their jurisdiction. As the all merciful lord of the universe, who has all of creation under his jurisdiction, is it not ironic that Allah himself would stand in violation of these internationally accepted principles?

    The next time you are out and about, take a look around you. When you are at the grocery store perhaps, or in a crowded shopping mall, or stuck on a congested freeway, ask yourself if you could really imagine a merciful god subjecting all of those innocent people to a grotesque and sadistic torture. Could you imagine yourself doing that? Could you imagine anyone that you know doing that? Surely, it is a disgrace to a wise and merciful god to believe that he would do that.

    The concept of jahannam, as it has evolved over the millennia, is a uniquely human construction of the worst kind, designed and embellished upon solely in the minds of scheming men.

    It is only a relic of a darker time in human history, a lingering hangover of a time when tyrannical kings commanded complete authority and ruled over their kingdoms through fear and persecution. Men who lived in such dark times imagined a god that was, as kings then were, necessarily ruthless and brutal. As the world has moved beyond those dark eras, so to should we relegate the idea of a divinely sanctioned, torturous hell to the pages of history. Such horrible ideas have no place in our world today.


    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=24124.0

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #12 - October 23, 2013, 07:34 PM

    Hi, great to have you on the forum  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #13 - October 23, 2013, 09:10 PM

    I am not an "ex-Muslim" yet. Nor am I an "ex-hijabi" (one day!). I would consider myself to be apart of the awkward middle right now. I know I can't go back to believing, but I'm still not certain enough to be a disbeliever. And I'll be honest, hell still scares me.

    This is all perfectly normal for people drifting away from religion. It usually wears off over time. Don't worry about it. parrot

    One of the members made a bit of a list about hadith, etc a while back. There are other examples strewn around the forum, but you might like to check these out for a start.

    Unethical/questionable hadiths and surahs

    Paradise (by Peruvian Skies)

    Cheers.


    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #14 - October 24, 2013, 06:00 AM

    @ Sam Brent: I'm just starting to understand that. But I guess the reason I want to know this is that I want my family/friends to know that I'm not leaving Islam because "I want to stop wearing hijab" or "I want to be Western" or whatever other reason they might think of. Regardless of whether or not they accept it, I want them to know that the religion of Islam and the prophet were the reasons why I left. That's why I'm hoping to get great and generally acceptable examples from sira and tafseer to show them. I don't care if they try to explain it away or say "God knows best", as long as they know I have my reasons, that's good enough for me. And hey, maybe they'll deconvert too if they see the proof I have that Islam is not the beautiful religion we were taught to believe.  dance
     thnkyu


    Its all good I understand. You just want to be able to say why you left is not for some stupid reason (and there can be a stupid reason). I'd actually recommend some youtube channels such as CEMBadmins, Klingschor, the rationalizer, strangest dude, etc.
    I'll post a few videos which were the reasons I started thinking about my religion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wyiLR8lTQ8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XLg-SRGMNk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h0tVAvfZKo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbH-0RxRKJE

    anyway welcome to the forum Smiley its really nice to meet you  grin12

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #15 - October 25, 2013, 10:08 AM

    Welcome to the club.  parrot bunny yes
  • On My Way Out of Islam
     Reply #16 - October 25, 2013, 02:15 PM

    Thanks for welcomes, everyone! And the links.  Afro I have a lot of reading to do this weekend.

     thnkyu

    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
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