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  • What is Love?
     Reply #60 - February 02, 2014, 06:52 PM
    @ RR

    Brother, you seriously need to hold your horses and stop spouting BS. If you do not have knowledge of a subject then don't assume other people will do the digging for you.

    Your 'let us assume...' and 'you didn't clarify....' is stupidity on a grand level. Why do I have to assume when I know? I work with autistic kids. My school has one of the biggest special needs departments in the country.

    When you said 'let us assume autism is NOT genetics' what fantasy world are you living in?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

    Read it and put to rest your silliness.

    You ahve also misquoted me. When I said that there are some people that have no empathy skills/social skills due to genetics (established facts that those people do exist) I said that this can make it difficult to fall in love/find love. How did you get from this to:

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    Are you thinking that not making social connections is harmful? Note that lots of people in history did great things WHILE being very asocial/loners/etc -- and to be clear, lots of other "social" humans benefitted greatly from the asocial humans.


    Do you think that you are Socrates and asking questions to gain further information? If then your questioning skills are awful and you come across as an amateur philosopher. Read for what it is and if you don't understand then don't assume and claim that someone said 'x' when they didn't/.
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  • What is Love?
     Reply #61 - February 02, 2014, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: Jedi
    Brother, you seriously need to hold your horses and stop spouting BS.

    Calling what I say BS doesn't make what I say wrong. So I dont' see your point in saying it.

    Quote from: Jedi
    If you do not have knowledge of a subject then don't assume other people will do the digging for you.

    I do. You shouldn't assume that I don't.

    Quote from: Jedi
    Your 'let us assume...' and 'you didn't clarify....' is stupidity on a grand level. Why do I have to assume when I know? I work with autistic kids. My school has one of the biggest special needs departments in the country.

    When you said 'let us assume autism is NOT genetics' what fantasy world are you living in?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

    Read it and put to rest your silliness.

     
    What silliness? You haven't even explained what's silly about what I said.

    Note that in the entire wikipedia article you linked, there is no discussion about criticism of the idea that autism is genetic. So even the article you linked just assumes that to be true, without even considering the arguments against it. And you linked this article in your statement calling me silly. Don't you think it's silly to give me a link that assumes that autism is genetic and which doesn't provide any counter-arguments against the argument that autism is not genetic?

    Quote from: Jedi
    You ahve also misquoted me. When I said that there are some people that have no empathy skills/social skills due to genetics (established facts that those people do exist) I said that this can make it difficult to fall in love/find love. How did you get from this to.

    You said that autistic people have "misfiring" happening. "Mis" means bad, or in lots of people's view, abnormal. So I was asking you why you think it's bad. If I misinterpreted you, fine.

    Quote from: Jedi
    Do you think that you are Socrates and asking questions to gain further information? If then your questioning skills are awful and you come across as an amateur philosopher. Read for what it is and if you don't understand then don't assume and claim that someone said 'x' when they didn't/.

    I didn't assume. I asked you a question. I said this:

    "Are you thinking that not making social connections is harmful?"

    That's not me assuming what you said. That's me asking you if my interpretation of what you said is correct.

  • What is Love?
     Reply #62 - February 02, 2014, 07:47 PM
    @RR

    http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news49

    1) You wanted to assume that autism was not gentic not me. It is genetic most certainly in severe autism (which is what I referred to in the first place. Go back and read again...'severe autism.' These children unfortunately do not have the social skills to interact with a great many people, usually attaching themselves to a few handful (or just the one as in the heartbreaking case of a young girl only wishing to speak to mummy and not daddy). It is well documented and it is these people I was referring to, thus the 'severe autism'. This is something that you could look up yourself.

    2)
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    Don't you think it's silly to give me a link that assumes that autism is genetic and which doesn't provide any counter-arguments against the argument that autism is not genetic?


    No. If you want a counter argument look for it yourself. Anyway, the point I was making was that severely autistic people can find it hard to form realtionships let alone fall in love, thus the genetic component.

    3)
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    You said that autistic people have "misfiring" happening. "Mis" means bad, or in lots of people's view, abnormal. So I was asking you why you think it's bad. If I misinterpreted you, fine.


    I don't care what you thought it should mean nor do I think a lot of people would accept your definition of misfiring. In the context I used it means that the synapses do not connect. How  could you assume it was a negative thing when neither anything I said before or after made a value judgement based upon the 'misfiring' comment.

    4)
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    That's not me assuming what you said. That's me asking you if my interpretation of what you said is correct.


    Re-read that and tell me the irony.

    Is that what having a conversation with you is like? Now stop looking at my finger and look to the moon.

    Bottom line: There is a genetic component to relationships, however for the vast majority it is the social environment that shapes our notion and expectation of 'love'. As such love is a social construct, the ability to form relationships is dependent upon both the social environment and genetics. The ability to form relationships and 'love' are two different things. The latter is dependent upon the former unless you wish to perform some philsophical/spiritual mombo-jumbo acrobatics of which I do not wish to invest any time.




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  • What is Love?
     Reply #63 - February 02, 2014, 07:51 PM
    If you want to know what love is, you need to experience it.
    I don't fucking need  long biological-genetical-psychological-neuropsychological-sociological-philosophical definitions to understand love, because everyone has its own love definition.

  • What is Love?
     Reply #64 - February 02, 2014, 07:54 PM
    Quote
    If you want to know what love is, you need to experience it.
    I don't fucking need  long biological-genetical-psychological-neuropsychological-sociological-philosophical definitions.


    My first post:

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    I beleive that love is essentially a psychological tool and a social contract. I'd clarify further but believe me that the less said on this the better. Given my track record I will abandon the discussion all together.


    This RR guy said some nonsense that I had to correct. Sorry.
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  • What is Love?
     Reply #65 - February 02, 2014, 09:33 PM
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  • What is Love?
     Reply #66 - February 02, 2014, 10:26 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion
    If you want to know what love is, you need to experience it.
    I don't fucking need  long biological-genetical-psychological-neuropsychological-sociological-philosophical definitions to understand love, because everyone has its own love definition.

    I agree that everyone has his own love definition. I think everyone who is experiencing love is experiencing something different from every other person who is experiencing love.
  • What is Love?
     Reply #67 - February 02, 2014, 10:29 PM
    Jedi.

    You told me I'm silly and gave me a link to the wikipedia article on Autism. You said I'm silly in reference to mentioning the idea that Autism is not genetic. But the link you gave me didn't say anything about the criticism of the idea that Autism is genetic (this means that your link was not relevant). And when I asked you about this, you didn't say anything about it -- you didn't retract your silly claim, and you didn't explain why your silly comment made any sense.

    And now you are giving me another link, without even addressing my point about the relevance of your first link.

    What the fuck?
  • What is Love?
     Reply #68 - February 02, 2014, 10:48 PM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 02, 2014, 07:31 PM
    Note that in the entire wikipedia article you linked, there is no discussion about criticism of the idea that autism is genetic.


    Let's say you have two children, one of them is average, the other is autistic. When both your children are adults themselves they each have children of their own on the way. Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't realise how high the chances are that you'll have an autistic grandchild? And which of your children would you be expecting to give you an autistic grandchild, the average one or the autistic one?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What is Love?
     Reply #69 - February 02, 2014, 10:59 PM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 02, 2014, 10:29 PM
    Jedi.

    You told me I'm silly and gave me a link to the wikipedia article on Autism. You said I'm silly in reference to mentioning the idea that Autism is not genetic. But the link you gave me didn't say anything about the criticism of the idea that Autism is genetic (this means that your link was not relevant). And when I asked you about this, you didn't say anything about it -- you didn't retract your silly claim, and you didn't explain why your silly comment made any sense.

    And now you are giving me another link, without even addressing my point about the relevance of your first link.

    What the fuck?


    When my son hears a loud noise, and claps his hands over his ears, and then runs screaming from the vicinity, while his siblings watch and laugh, I know it is not a learned behaviour.
    He has never, in his life, seen anyone else do this. He has been like this since birth.
    This is why you are the one sounding silly, to me. This is all easily observable and logical.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • What is Love?
     Reply #70 - February 03, 2014, 01:13 AM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on February 02, 2014, 09:33 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)


     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What is Love?
     Reply #71 - February 03, 2014, 01:17 AM
    Love is when I blow my nose, and what comes out looks like a cute little organism that I've created.  001_wub
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What is Love?
     Reply #72 - February 03, 2014, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 02, 2014, 10:48 PM
    Let's say you have two children, one of them is average, the other is autistic. When both your children are adults themselves they each have children of their own on the way. Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't realise how high the chances are that you'll have an autistic grandchild? And which of your children would you be expecting to give you an autistic grandchild, the average one or the autistic one?

    So you're just going to assume that autism is genetic, without even any consideration for the science here? Why assume it? Why not consider the science?
  • What is Love?
     Reply #73 - February 03, 2014, 03:09 PM
    Quote from: three on February 02, 2014, 10:59 PM
    When my son hears a loud noise, and claps his hands over his ears, and then runs screaming from the vicinity, while his siblings watch and laugh, I know it is not a learned behaviour.
    He has never, in his life, seen anyone else do this. He has been like this since birth.
    This is why you are the one sounding silly, to me. This is all easily observable and logical.

    lol, so science doesn't matter when things seem easily observable and logical (to you).

    That is silly.
  • What is Love?
     Reply #74 - February 03, 2014, 03:12 PM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 03, 2014, 03:08 PM
    So you're just going to assume that autism is genetic, without even any consideration for the science here? Why assume it? Why not consider the science?

    Well genetics is science , a part of science RamiRustom ., It started with biologics and now it is moving in to other fields..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • What is Love?
     Reply #75 - February 03, 2014, 04:03 PM
    No way I'm getting the Haddaway song out of my head tonight.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • What is Love?
     Reply #76 - February 03, 2014, 04:47 PM
    Love is liking really strongly with time and duty Tongue
  • What is Love?
     Reply #77 - February 03, 2014, 08:23 PM
    MODS: This thread is Pit of Perdition material.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • What is Love?
     Reply #78 - February 03, 2014, 08:25 PM
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • What is Love?
     Reply #79 - February 03, 2014, 08:51 PM
     001_wub aww that kid!
  • What is Love?
     Reply #80 - February 04, 2014, 12:34 AM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 03, 2014, 03:09 PM
    lol, so science doesn't matter when things seem easily observable and logical (to you).

    That is silly.


    I have just described a scientific method to you.
    A control group.
    The affected.
    The stimuli.
    By observing what happens when the stimuli is introduced, you can see the result is profoundly different between the reaction of the control group and the affected individual.
    We have done this at least a thousand times. This is not an exaggeration.
    I also explained there was no previous example for the affected child to follow. It is a spontaneous reaction, not a learned reaction.
    That is science. Why would you claim it is not science? We have done this in a laboratory setting, too.
    This is not a learned behaviour. There something wrong with the child's auditory process. It is called auditory dysfunction, and you diagnose this problem by observing the child's reaction to stimuli.
    This is the scientific method, that I have described to you.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • What is Love?
     Reply #81 - February 04, 2014, 02:06 AM
    Don't bother with him, three. There was an entire thread where we discussed that kind of thing with him and he just doesn't seem to get it...yet, continues to argue about scientific matters as if he has the knowledge to.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • What is Love?
     Reply #82 - February 04, 2014, 02:08 AM
    It's maddening. Thank you for stopping me! I could never be a teacher. I suppose I should have been tipped off by the denial that observation and logic could be termed scientific.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • What is Love?
     Reply #83 - February 04, 2014, 02:11 AM
    I'm a horrible teacher too, but here we are. Trying to teach the world about us and teach our children basic stuff.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • What is Love?
     Reply #84 - February 04, 2014, 02:21 AM
    Yes. Cookies for us, for trying! At least, knowing that we are not so good at it, we are paying attention to what we dispense.
    I might be grasping, here.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • What is Love?
     Reply #85 - February 04, 2014, 08:53 AM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 03, 2014, 08:23 PM
    MODS: This thread is Pit of Perdition material.


    No, it is not.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • What is Love?
     Reply #86 - February 04, 2014, 09:11 AM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 03, 2014, 03:08 PM
    So you're just going to assume that autism is genetic, without even any consideration for the science here? Why assume it? Why not consider the science?


    What science are you referring to?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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