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  • Question: When you hear the term 'Islamaphobia' do you.
  • have an image/certain stereotype that pops into your head with associations to - BNP voters, Sun readers, Jon Gaunt, Kilroy, Christopher Hitchens, etc. - 8 (32%)
  • Think immediately about Muslims killing Muslims, as in Shia and Sunni. - 2 (8%)
  • You think something else not covered in the above.. - 15 (60%)
  • You don't think anything. - 0 (0%)
  • Total Voters: 25

 Topic: Islamaphobia - the vote.

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  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     OP - July 30, 2009, 05:12 PM
    There seems to be some confusion, at least for a couple people here, as to what the term actually means. Obviously 'fear of Islam', but like anti-semitism, or homophobia, there are stereotypical connotations that transcend it's literal meaning. I suspect most people here, including myself, will go with the first one, it seems obvious. I'm looking at it from within the UK, but the same implications can be drawn by replacing the British National Party or Jon Gaunt  to whatever your local neighbourhood racist organisation, or right wing radio jock might be.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #1 - July 30, 2009, 06:44 PM
    To correct any confusion you might have Jack "Re: Obviously fear of islam". Islamophobia should mean an 'irrational fear of islam'.

    And the possible answers you stated for the vote are incomplete, biased and shayt.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #2 - July 30, 2009, 06:50 PM
    Quote from: Baal on July 30, 2009, 06:44 PM
    To correct any confusion you might have Jack, islamophobia should mean an 'irrational fear of islam'.


    It should mean, if you are going to talk about the etymology of the word. But that is not what it means in reality.
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  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #3 - July 30, 2009, 10:08 PM
    Quote
    It should mean, if you are going to talk about the etymology of the word. But that is not what it means in reality.

    Yes but Jack's options did not cover that condition where the user of the word will use the etymobob maliciously, by applying it to the wrong people.

    As for etymology:
    When I hear the word homophobe, i assume someone who has an unfounded fear of homosexuality.

    when I hear the word arachnophobe, I assume the irrationality of someone who can not tolerate spiders.

    when I hear xenophobe, I assume one who hates outsiders without a clear explanation (he is taking our job..) when the outsider is actually creating jobs.

    When I hear islamophobe, somehow it is usually applied to a person with valid criticism against either islam or muslims.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #4 - July 30, 2009, 10:11 PM
    So is vandalising Muslim graves with swastikas valid criticism against Islam or Muslims? Because that was described as an Islamophobic act.
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

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  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #5 - July 31, 2009, 07:29 AM
    Quote
    So is vandalising Muslim graves with swastikas valid criticism against Islam or Muslims? Because that was described as an Islamophobic act.

    Vandalising graves in not a valid criticism:
    Is vandalizing Christian graves considered jesuphobia.
    Are the kids who did this actually islamophobes? xenophobes? sh1t disturbers?
    When you hear the term islamophobe, do you think a 'grave disturber' or do you think 'salman rushdie'.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #6 - July 31, 2009, 07:56 AM
    Quote from: Baal on July 30, 2009, 06:44 PM
    To correct any confusion you might have Jack "Re: Obviously fear of islam". Islamophobia should mean an 'irrational fear of islam'.

    And the possible answers you stated for the vote are incomplete, biased and shayt.


    Just stick to the poll, or make your own. This is not an invite to you to waffle - start your own 'better' poll then, numb nuts.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #7 - July 31, 2009, 08:09 AM
    Yes Jack, my nuts are numb, feels like someone kicked them an hour ago.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #8 - July 31, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Yeah, well that's because you probably did, and paid good money for the pleasure too.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #9 - July 31, 2009, 03:18 PM
     Bit unfair to lump Christopher Hitchens in with the BNP , don't you think ?
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #10 - July 31, 2009, 04:04 PM
    he's more bloodthirsty and unhinged than they are
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  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #11 - July 31, 2009, 05:20 PM
    Quote from: aife on July 31, 2009, 03:18 PM
    Bit unfair to lump Christopher Hitchens in with the BNP , don't you think ?


    I quite like Hitchens, and agree with him on many points, but he is certainly fanning flames in the wrong direction.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #12 - July 31, 2009, 06:29 PM
    Quote from: Baal on July 31, 2009, 07:29 AM
    Is vandalizing Christian graves considered jesuphobia.


    I wouldn't have a problem calling it "christianophobia" or any similar name, especially if it happens in a place with a non-christian majority (e.g. Turkey)

    Quote from: Baal on July 31, 2009, 07:29 AM
    When you hear the term islamophobe, do you think a 'grave disturber' or do you think 'salman rushdie'.


    Certainly not Salman Rushdie.
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  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #13 - July 31, 2009, 08:01 PM
    tbh this vote and discussion is reduntant.

    Like I said on the other thread Islamophobia is a word that is used and understood differently.

    For those who use it to mean the ever increasing attacks on Muslims - it is very real.

    For those who understand it to mean unjust censorship of criticism of islam - it is also very real.

    For those who want to prove that one or the other meaning doesn't exist/is wrong - frankly you are wasting your time.

    But, please, carry on...
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #14 - July 31, 2009, 08:16 PM
    Quote from: NineBerry on July 31, 2009, 06:29 PM
    I wouldn't have a problem calling it "christianophobia" or any similar name, especially if it happens in a place with a non-christian majority (e.g. Turkey)

    Certainly not Salman Rushdie.

    So if you do not think islamophobia should apply to salman rushdie, why is the word applied to the salman rushdies?

    I see the term more used on people with a valid gripe far more then grave disturbers. The violence is next to non-existent and vandalism is a common phenomenon in the West, we used to have the garage door of our compound vandalized almost regularly till we installed a security camera and caught the kids.

    Not to mention the few times some guys were caught vandalizing their own mosque for the purpose of writing their own victim cards.

    It is dishonest to Claim the term is for graverobbers & the BNP, yet using it mostly on people with a valid gripe, like sam harris and hutchinson and salman rushdi.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #15 - July 31, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on July 31, 2009, 08:01 PM
    tbh this vote and discussion is reduntant.

    Like I said on the other thread Islamophobia is a word that is used and understood differently.

    For those who use it to mean the ever increasing attacks on Muslims - it is very real.

    For those who understand it to mean unjust censorship of criticism of islam - it is also very real.

    For those who want to prove that one or the other meaning doesn't exist/is wrong - frankly you are wasting your time.

    But, please, carry on...

    +1
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #16 - May 28, 2014, 02:48 PM
    the term "Islamaphobia" is as preposterous as inventing the terms 'fascistphobia' or 'fluophobia'. a 'phobia' is an irrational fear. Browse thru the quran and there's prevalent doctrines with instructions to kill/smight/slay/strike/subjugate the non-believers. just like nazi doctrines had clear directives to terrorise and rule over non-nazis so does the quran.

    Clearly and objectively a fear of islam is rational for all non-muslims. Fortunately most muslims either ignore these verses or are ignorant of them. This is a great blessing in disguise for islam, as it means 99% of muslims are peaceful and the apologists can say "oh look 99% muslims are peaceful so Islam is a religion of peace!!"
  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #17 - May 28, 2014, 05:11 PM
    About Rushdie. What he had claimed about Muhammad is in a hadith I came across last year. So can't be an islamophobe in that sense.
  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #18 - May 28, 2014, 05:19 PM
    5 year old bumped thread, is this a record
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  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #19 - May 28, 2014, 05:44 PM
    First thought: Muslims trying to hide their dirty laundry and expressing their frustration for not being given special treatment by accusing everyone of Islamophobia
    Second thought: A derogatory term used to silence legitimate criticism of Islam.
    Third thought: Far-right extremists and other fascist groups spreading hate and propaganda against Muslim people in general, demonizing an entire religious group
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  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #20 - May 28, 2014, 10:06 PM
    - If I say that all Muslims are terrorists - that makes me an Islamophobe.
    - But if I say that almost all terrorists in the world are Muslims - I am stating a fact. Stating facts is not Islamophobia.
    - If I criticize Islam, Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism I am expressing my opinion.
    - If I say that Muslims should not be allowed to build mosques - I am being intolerant.
    - If I say that in general, Muslims are intolerant - I am stating a fact.
    Etc.........
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  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #21 - May 28, 2014, 10:28 PM
    ISLAMOPHOBIA IS GOOD TO THE SOCIETY ., In fact having phobia about  all faiths is good to the society ..

     but one should not have PHOBIA about people who are following those faiths.  why worry about them as long as they are within limits of human decency?  
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  • Islamaphobia - the vote.
     Reply #22 - May 28, 2014, 11:42 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 28, 2014, 05:19 PM
    5 year old bumped thread, is this a record


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