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  • The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson
     OP - October 11, 2012, 05:39 AM

    Just put this here because it happened to be under the history and archaeology section of the Smithsonian's site, which is science-ish. Interesting article.

    The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson

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    With five simple words in the Declaration of Independence, "all men are created equal", Thomas Jefferson undid Aristotle?s ancient formula, which had governed human affairs until 1776: ?From the hour of their birth, some men are marked out for subjection, others for rule.? In his original draft of the Declaration, in soaring, damning, fiery prose, Jefferson denounced the slave trade as an ?execrable commerce ...this assemblage of horrors,? a ?cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life & liberties.? As historian John Chester Miller put it, ?The inclusion of Jefferson?s strictures on slavery and the slave trade would have committed the United States to the abolition of slavery.?

    That was the way it was interpreted by some of those who read it at the time as well. Massachusetts freed its slaves on the strength of the Declaration of Independence, weaving Jefferson?s language into the state constitution of 1780. The meaning of ?all men? sounded equally clear, and so disturbing to the authors of the constitutions of six Southern states that they emended Jefferson?s wording. ?All freemen,? they wrote in their founding documents, ?are equal.? The authors of those state constitutions knew what Jefferson meant, and could not accept it. The Continental Congress ultimately struck the passage because South Carolina and Georgia, crying out for more slaves, would not abide shutting down the market.

    ?One cannot question the genuineness of Jefferson?s liberal dreams,? writes historian David Brion Davis. ?He was one of the first statesmen in any part of the world to advocate concrete measures for restricting and eradicating Negro slavery.?

    But in the 1790s, Davis continues, ?the most remarkable thing about Jefferson?s stand on slavery is his immense silence.? And later, Davis finds, Jefferson?s emancipation efforts ?virtually ceased.?

    Somewhere in a short span of years during the 1780s and into the early 1790s, a transformation came over Jefferson.

    Basically, as soon as he figured out slavery was profitable, he shut up about emancipation.

    ETA: And some twat at the Smithsonian has used copy/paste from an MS desktop app for the article, which is why the excerpt above is full of question marks in idiotic places. I can't be bothered editing them all. Read it at the site. Smiley

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  • Re: The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson
     Reply #1 - October 11, 2012, 03:14 PM

    To expect perfect moral positions and actions for a human being, much less a politician is silly at best.

    He owned a plantation in Virginia and his dad owned slaves.  I don't think anything changed in the 1780s-1790s in that regard. He knew slavery was profitable.

    What can be said about Jefferson is he pushed the bar towards better treatment and freedom of slaves.
    That's simply reality by the various anti-slavery bills he tried to push as well as his treatment of his slaves.

    During the 1780s and 1790s he was dealing with... oh... I don't things like being a politician of a newly formed confederation.

    Political considerations and other political priorities account for more of his silence.
     
  • Re: The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson
     Reply #2 - October 11, 2012, 08:41 PM

    I suggest you read the whole thing.

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  • Re: The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson
     Reply #3 - October 11, 2012, 09:15 PM

    So does that mean that Jefferson's economic beliefs were more dear to him than his humanitarian ones Huh?

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  • Re: The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson
     Reply #4 - October 11, 2012, 09:17 PM

    That's what the article seems to say, once you read the whole thing.

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  • Re: The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson
     Reply #5 - October 11, 2012, 09:19 PM

    From the last page of the article:

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    In 1817, Jefferson?s old friend, the Revolutionary War hero Thaddeus Kos?ciuszko, died in Switzerland. The Polish nobleman, who had arrived from Europe in 1776 to aid the Americans, left a substantial fortune to Jefferson. Kosciuszko bequeathed funds to free Jefferson?s slaves and purchase land and farming equipment for them to begin a life on their own. In the spring of 1819, Jefferson pondered what to do with the legacy. Kosciuszko had made him executor of the will, so Jefferson had a legal duty, as well as a personal obligation to his deceased friend, to carry out the terms of the document.

    The terms came as no surprise to Jefferson. He had helped Kosciuszko draft the will, which states, ?I hereby authorize my friend, Thomas Jefferson, to employ the whole [bequest] in purchasing Negroes from his own or any others and giving them liberty in my name.? Kosciuszko?s estate was nearly $20,000, the equivalent today of roughly $280,000. But Jefferson refused the gift, even though it would have reduced the debt hanging over Monticello, while also relieving him, in part at least, of what he himself had described in 1814 as the ?moral reproach? of slavery.

    If Jefferson had accepted the legacy, as much as half of it would have gone not to Jefferson but, in effect, to his slaves?to the purchase price for land, livestock, equipment and transportation to establish them in a place such as Illinois or Ohio. Moreover, the slaves most suited for immediate emancipation?smiths, coopers, carpenters, the most skilled farmers?were the very ones whom Jefferson most valued. He also shrank from any public identification with the cause of emancipation.

    It had long been accepted that slaves were assets that could be seized for debt, but Jefferson turned this around when he used slaves as collateral for a very large loan he had taken out in 1796 from a Dutch banking house in order to rebuild Monticello. He pioneered the monetizing of slaves, just as he pioneered the industrialization and diversification of slavery.


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  • The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson
     Reply #6 - July 08, 2014, 10:22 AM

    Bump.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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