Prophet Muhammad didn't exist but another Muhammad existed (theory)

OP - October 03, 2014, 12:11 AM

if you want to understand what I am saying you must read these books:
the theory I made came after reading these books so be sure to read them
also the sources of what I say is from these books other than my personal theory

Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins by Robert Spencer

Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World

The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran: A Contribution to the Decoding of the Language of the Koran

A Christian Bahira Legend

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so there is syriac books or manuscripts that say about Arabs different than Islam say

They say there is a preacher who's name is Muhammad (they didn't say he is a prophet)

so my theory that there is preacher who's name is Muhammad that was sent by Christian arian priests

They said to him you the Arabs are the sons of Abraham
And in the quran I think the rules (laws) are what Abraham tell his people to do

Like the Jews that are sons of Israel and have there laws
Arabs the the sons of Abraham and have there own laws

These priests took the laws and teaching from Christian or Jewish books

And tell the Arabs to follow his rules because they are the sons of Abraham

So they wrote the quran for them which is a lectionary and tell their Preacher to teach them

But after many years the Arabs (maybe the rulers) change the quran and tempered with it (maybe for political reasons so they can control the arabs by inventing stories and hadeths that in the rulers intrest)

I think the quran was many books as a priest said (book of the camel, book of the cow, book of the table, book of the woman and many more)

In the quran they say Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
In the real quran its written Muhammad the messenger of buhaira or who ever the priest that send him

So the Arabs did not know how to read and write and the quran books was with some people not all people
But the Arabs heard people say some verses of the quran so they didnt know all of the quran

So in the quran there is a verse:

إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ شَاهِدًا وَمُبَشِّرًا وَنَذِيرًا الفتح ( Cool

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We have sent you as witness (of the truth) and harbinger of good news and a warner,

they here the priests are talking that they sent a preacher to the pagan Arabs
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مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَٰكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا الأحزاب (40) -
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but a messenger of God, and the seal of the prophets. God has knowledge of everything.

I think this verse is tempered with the real one is I think

Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but a messenger of Buhaira, and the seal of the prophets. God has knowledge of everything.

Luxemburg said the seal of the prophet is something else
Or it might be that the original word is seal of the messengers

It means that Muhammad is the last preacher that buhaira will send

(Muhammad is not the father of any man among you)
here it doesn't mean a father son relationship
But father here means (father of church)

so the verse mean Muhammad was not father of church he was only a preacher
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وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَفَإِن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَىٰ أَعْقَابِكُمْ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ اللَّهَ شَيْئًا وَسَيَجْزِي اللَّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ آل عمران (144)

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Muhammad is only a messenger; and many a messenger has gone before him. So what if he dies or is killed! Will you turn back and go away in haste? But he who turns back and goes away in haste will do no harm to God. But God will reward those who give thanks (and are grateful).

Here after the preacher died the priests wrote and told the Arabs that Muhammad is only a messenger of priests so if he died you turn away from the teaching
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so this arian preacher (Muhammad) told the arabs that god sayd to abraham that Jerusalem is for the Arabs and Jews and they must now go and take it

So he made an army with the Arabs and Jews and took Jerusalem (as was writen in a syriac book that was written by a christian)

Jerusalem wasn't captured by Omar ibn alkhatab but by Muhammad who was alive

He teach them about Abraham mostly not about Jesus but he was sent by arian Christians

The priests called the Arabs hagarians (because they are the sons of hagar)

they are the sons of hagar and ismael and Abraham

So in the syriac manuscript they called the people that invade Jerusalem hagarians not Muslims

because this is what there real names was

Also they called them mugaretti
It means muhagreens or immigrants in English
So the real higra that was talked about in the quran not to medina but to Jerusalem

And also the quran always talk to Christian and Jews
This is not as Islam say (the sira and hadeth) that the Christian and Jews is in medina

The quran talk to the Christian and Jews of Jerusalem not of medina
The priests actually talk to them

So after the Arabs invaded Jerusalem the arabs didn't talk about Muhammad

(its is not recorded in the syriac manuscripts)
but they talked about Abraham and how he was the father and prophet of them

There is a manuscript that say that alhaggag took the books of the hagarians and give them another books

I think here where alhaggag took the quran that was written by Christian priests and change it and tempered with it
And changed from saying that Muhammad is the messenger of buhaira to Muhammad the messenger of Allah

The early coins of Arab rulers have Muhammad written on it and a cross
This mean that he is a Christian preacher or he is a Christian
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so another manuscript in the ummayad time
Its a letter between an Arab ruler and a Christian ruler

Its says there are Arab that have a book that name is the furqan that claim it is from god I know that abu turab and omar and salman alfarisi composed it

This manuscript let you think that these people didn't live before 80 years but these are living in the ummyadd time

Prophet Muhammad didn't exist but another Muhammad existed (theory)

Reply #2 - October 03, 2014, 03:09 AM

And Zeca.

Prophet Muhammad didn't exist but another Muhammad existed (theory)

Reply #4 - October 03, 2014, 10:56 AM

Quote from: Edward on October 03, 2014, 12:11 AM

if you want to understand what I am saying you must read these books:
the theory I made came after reading these books so be sure to read them
also the sources of what I say is from these books other than my personal theory

Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins by Robert Spencer

Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World

The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran: A Contribution to the Decoding of the Language of the Koran

A Christian Bahira Legend

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hello Edward., Never read you so greeting my good wishes to you., well I read those books and more., and I do agree SOME POINTS of your posts. In fact in this forum itself there are folders and posts which supports the idea that Muhammad of Quran and Muhammad of hadith did not exist..

any ways please continue to write and add information in support of your ideas on Islam and early Islamic history..

Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything

I renounced my faith to become a kafir,
the beloved betrayed me and turned in to a Muslim

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Topic: Prophet Muhammad didn't exist but another Muhammad existed (theory)

Edward

OP - October 03, 2014, 12:11 AM

David

Reply #1 - October 03, 2014, 02:45 AM

David

Reply #2 - October 03, 2014, 03:09 AM

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Reply #3 - October 03, 2014, 08:01 AM

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Reply #4 - October 03, 2014, 10:56 AM

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