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  • United Against I.S. - The Sun
     OP - October 12, 2014, 11:25 AM

    So I really want people's thoughts on this. I'm including the original article and a less than happy response.

    United Against I.S.

    As police swoop on first suspected Islamic State terror cell in UK, The Sun urges Brits of all faiths to stand up to extremists



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    THE Sun today calls on Britons of all faiths to unite to defeat IS fanatics — hours after an alleged plot by the terror group’s first UK cell was foiled by the security forces.

    Four men aged 20 and 21 — one believed to have recently returned from Syria — were held by armed police using stun grenades in dawn raids in West London yesterday. 

    Now we are urging communities across the country to make a stand to prevent barbaric Islamic State extremists radicalising British youths.


    Sara Khan is Making A Stand



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    BRITISH Muslims from all over the country are making a stand against the barbarism of IS.

    Communities are uniting to condemn the terrorist group and try and stop youngsters from being radicalised.

    Counter-extremism group Inspire has launched Making A Stand — a campaign empowering British Muslim women to come together against IS.

    They are being urged to take to social media to spread the message and educate their children about the horrors of supporting a terrorist organisation.

    Here co-director Sara Khan explains why it is now time for the British nation as a whole to make a stand.


    British Muslims are coming together to say that the so-called Islamic state has nothing to do with our faith. It’s a twisted version of Islam that we condemn utterly. We won’t tolerate Great Britain being poisoned by extremist propaganda.

    Inspire launched Making A Stand because British Muslim women are incredibly angry and frustrated about their faith being hijacked and want to make a stand against terrorism. We oppose IS and extremism. We see how young people are being radicalised and fear that our children will be next.

    When we hear about teenage boys and girls going out to Syria and Iraq to join IS we feel outrage and horror. These young people are being brainwashed and as women we want to do something about it.

    But our message can go further. The Sun is today asking Britain to unite as a whole and make a stand against extremism. Terrorists are committing acts of brutality and we have to say we are not taking it anymore.

    As a nation we stand for tolerance, respect, equality and human rights. That is what makes Britain great. We’re making a stand against any intolerance and hatred and everyone has a role to play.

    Imams in our mosques need to continue to reach out to young people and to openly reject what IS is doing. They need to reach out to young Muslim girls in particular. At times, these girls find that they are not welcomed in the mosque and they are not having their voices heard. So they turn to the internet for religious guidance and find extremist views.

    Imams also need to continue to open up their doors to the wider community and promote tolerance. That good work has got to be amplified at the moment because it is so desperately needed.

    Young Muslims have a vital role to play in the fight against extremism. They need to stand up and say that IS is simply not cool and spread that message to their peers.

    IS likes to promote the idea that their fighters are ‘real men’ but there’s nothing masculine about blowing people up. A man is somebody that respects life and humanity and builds bridges within the community.

    IS also like to say that the young women travelling over to be jihadi brides will be treated as equals. But the reality is so much different. They are treated as second class citizens and their role is within the home. They’ve bought into a pack of lies and they’ve given up the freedoms and women’s rights that Britain offers.

    People of a non-Muslim faith can help in this fight against IS by stamping out hate as a whole. IS plays into the fears that some people have about the Muslim faith and burn the bridges within our society.

    If we respond by promoting hate to each other we are letting them win. They want Muslims to feel marginalised so they will want to join their twisted cause.

    We need to say we’re not going to allow you to destroy us and we say that by not tolerating hatred or violence to anyone.

    The common theme here is to make a stand against any hatred or extremism. It’s not what it means to be British.

    IS is touching every part of British society. In the last week we had a 15-year-old British girl travelling to Syria to join the cause and we had the barbaric murder of Alan Henning.

    But that should make us stronger. In these times of crisis we need to stand up even more united and stand up stronger. We’re not going to allow them to divide our nation.

    We are British. We need to take to social media and go into our communities to spread the message and show that we are all making a stand.


    Response:

    The Sun’s ‘Unite against Isis’ campaign is a proxy for anti-Muslim bigotry

    You, Muslim! Is your Islam ‘British’ enough? Are you standing up to extremism? If not, you are Part of the Problem, apparently



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    Imagine your average British Muslim family sitting around the breakfast table with the papers this morning. On the front page of the Sun, an image of a woman in a hijab fashioned out of the Union Jack and the headline “United Against IS” hollers out at them. In the right-hand corner, a subheadline urges them to “stand up to extremists”.

    Yes, you there, Muslim – bleary eyed, sipping your coffee, who thought the activities of a militant group thousands of miles away had nothing to do with you – are you standing up to extremism right now? Is your Islam “British”? If not, then you are Part of the Problem.

    It doesn’t end there. Inside, there is a flag cutout with “United Against IS” on it. Please stick it on your window or somewhere else highly visible to make it clear where you stand. Now, time for cornflakes.

    The implications of this stunt are clear. Even though the editors shoehorned in an appeal to “Brits of all faiths”, this can only be a figleaf as the image clearly screams “Muslims”.

    What the Sun says is that Muslims have to prove their British credentials with a display of loyalty – that their Britishness is not taken for granted until they do so. You are a shady Muslim first, and a citizen second. It may be masquerading as a jolly exercise in solidarity of the “Keep calm and carry on” type. But the subtext is pretty clear: “We are united against IS, Are they?”

    The most charitable explanation is that this is just a well-meaning campaign that was badly implemented. But then ask yourself, who is it for exactly? Does the Sun genuinely think Muslims are going to react to this by scrambling to prove that they are not Isis-huggers and -harbourers; by continuously and never-endingly condemning all random acts of Islamic extremism everywhere? More probably, it is a way to sneak into plain sight an increasingly popular view that Muslims are an enemy within, and, as Islamic State allegedly reaches British shores, the idea that British Muslims are their allies.

    In any case, if the past few months are anything to go by, people are deaf to Muslim condemnation of extremism. Even if every British Muslim in the country put a bumper sticker on their car condemning Islamic State, it wouldn’t be enough. Because that’s not what this is about. It’s a hollow demand that is a proxy for bigotry. It is the politically correct way of airing a suspicion that all Muslims are basically terrorist sympathisers, not a genuine request.

    Which is not to say that Muslims should not condemn Islamic State. Many do, and have. But to have it demanded of you is different. And to have it linked to your nationality via the Union Jack is a threat. It attaches conditions to that nationality that others do not have to meet.

    So, this “campaign” is disingenuous and pointless. But it is also dangerously counterproductive. It represents yet another chapter in the mainstreaming of intolerance. It increases the feeling of being under siege, of Muslims’ religion rendering their loyalties suspect. These messages are no longer subliminal but overt. Imagine being subjected to this every single day, having national institutions arch a sceptical eyebrow at you just for being Muslim – whatever that might mean to you. To most, it’s just an inherited cultural identity. Far from galvanising Muslims in the face of any threat, it risks giving rise to a defensive form of religious identity, alienating and marginalising even more. If the Sun really wants a united Britain, this is the very worst way to go about it.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • United Against I.S. - The Sun
     Reply #1 - October 12, 2014, 11:35 AM

    Another pro article Hear us now: Young Brits denounce jihad savages and against The Sun's 'United Against I.S.' Campaign Can't be Taken Seriously

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • United Against I.S. - The Sun
     Reply #2 - October 16, 2014, 08:06 AM

    Racism and Jingoism - and before anyone says it, I know Islam is not a race!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • United Against I.S. - The Sun
     Reply #3 - October 16, 2014, 09:17 AM

    Are British Muslims facing the same fate as the Irish in Britain once did?


    The Sun's 'Oi Lads' headline
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    Remember the Birmingham Six, the Maguire Seven, the Guildford Four and Judith Ward? Behind the campaigning numbers were 18 innocent people who collectively spent scores of years in British jails after being falsely convicted of terrorism offences.  Their sin was to be Irish (or, in Ward's case, to have spent time in Ireland) during that 1970s period when the Provisional IRA was bombing targets in the UK.

    The police, convinced in each case that the 18 were guilty, extracted confessions under torture and/or intimidation, faked evidence and lied in court.  All of this is known, but all of this is too easily forgotten. Now, amid the hue and cry in Britain over the activities of the Islamic State (Isis), it is timely to recall the "mistakes" by the police, by MI5 and by a compliant media, of 40 years ago.

    I couldn't help but notice the triumphant and incautious tone in some newspapers last week when five men, aged 20 to 21, were arrested in London over "a suspected terrorist plot to mount an attack in Britain".

    We learned from some papers last Wednesday (8 October) that they had links to Syria and to Islamic State (Isis). The headlines were unequivocal: "Jihadi plot to attack UK smashed" (Daily Mail); "MI5 smash British 'Isil terror plot'" (Daily Telegraph); "British medical student arrested on terror charges 'may have just returned from Somalia'" (the Independent); and "MI5 nab surgeon" (The Sun).

    Given that the force is not supposed to leak to the press, journalists received a surprising amount of detail in off-the-record briefings. One of the men was named as Tarik Hassane, a 21-year-old medical student, and we learned he had, allegedly, sent a tweet to two friends saying: "Oi lads… I smell war" (giving the Sun a follow-up splash headline on Thursday).

    But was that tweet really about the conflict in Syria and Iraq? According to a lengthy article on the Islam21c site, it concerned a personal matter involving women friends of Hassane's friends. I don't know whether that's true or not, of course. But I am not alone in having suspicions about the case and about the sensationalism of the coverage surrounding his arrest and that of the other four.

    Even the Mail began to wonder. Towards the end of its article on Thursday it hedged its bets by reporting that friends of Hassane said his tweet "simply referred to a 'bunch of rowdy girls' who were bickering on the social networking site."

    Channel 4 News also reported that claim by Hassane's friends (but I note it did so while revealing the first picture of the student and asserting that he had been originally named by the Sun).

    I am heartened that the Guardian's first news report included this key paragraph:

        "Some past high-profile terror arrests have been based on intelligence that turned out to be inaccurate, and have led to accusations that police and MI5 have ramped up the nature of possible plots".

    Even so, Scotland Yard tell me that the five men remain under arrest because, although the legal questioning period has passed, a warrant granting the police an extension runs until tomorrow (14 October).

    So it's possible that we will know much more in 24 hours' time. But I can't help thinking that the errors committed against the Irish in the 1970s are being replayed with a new set of victims, British Muslims, in 2014.

    Why is the Sun outraged by attacks on its anti-Isis stance?

    Meanwhile, Tim Fenton, in a blogpost on Zelo Street raised a much more interesting matter: the linkage between the MI5 arrests and the Sun's call last Wednesday (8 October) to "Britons of all faiths to unite to defeat IS fanatics".

    I wrote at the time that the paper had "used its muscle to make a valid political invention". I stand by that.

    However, that claim to validity was immediately questioned by Nesrine Malik, who viewed the Sun's 'Unite against Isis' campaign as "a proxy for anti-Muslim bigotry." In fact, she considered it to be a "stunt" in which...

        "Muslims have to prove their British credentials with a display of loyalty – that their Britishness is not taken for granted until they do so. You are a shady Muslim first, and a citizen second...

        It is a way to sneak into plain sight an increasingly popular view that Muslims are an enemy within, and, as Islamic State allegedly reaches British shores, the idea that British Muslims are their allies."

    That did give me pause for thought. I trailed down the 1,500-plus comments thread below Malik's polemic in which, amid the predictable tangential diversions (and plenty of deletions), there was a measure of support for her opinion among the criticism.

    I noted that the Sun's managing editor, Stig Abell, thought Malik's comment "vapid, pious and divorced from reality".

    I haven't spoken to him about his tweet, but I'm guessing he was angry because - in company with his editor, David Dinsmore - he sincerely believed the paper had made a genuine attempt to do something worthwhile, and then had it thrown back in their faces.

    Although I am more open than Malik in accepting that their motives were not as she suggested, Abell's scathing response to her was unworthy of him. It is perfectly plausible to argue that there is a difference between good intentions and unintended consequences.

    That difference is simple to grasp. Many Muslims, after years of alienation and what they regard as prejudicial media coverage, are bound to see a sinister agenda in anything done by newspapers they regard, rightly or wrongly, as hostile.

    Similarly, the Sun would have done better not to have linked its anti-Isis campaign to what it called a "police swoop on first suspected Islamic State terror cell in UK."

    This tended to reaffirm for Muslims living in Britain that they are under collective suspicion unless they distance themselves publicly from Isis.

    Surely, Malik's argument required a cogent reply stressing the paper's sincerity rather than an offhand tweet.

    I have to agree with some of what  that guy says.,  .. Some times governments fighting these religious terror with force and propaganda  is a SLIPPERY SLOPE

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • United Against I.S. - The Sun
     Reply #4 - October 16, 2014, 12:17 PM

    London cab controller arrested as ‘Isil agent’ in Bangladesh  says news


    Samiun Rahman, 24, is accused of travelling from London to Syria and Bangladesh, allegedly recruiting jihadists to fight for Islamic State

     
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    An East London taxi operator ran a Bangladesh terrorist cell recruiting jihadists to join Islamic State's and al-Qaeda-linked militias in Syria, police in Dhaka have said.

    Samiun Rahman, a 24 year old radio-cab controller of Bangladeshi origin, entered the country earlier this year and began targeting local Muslims through the Facebook page of a moderate Islamic television channel, they said. Two of those he allegedly recruited were arrested last week as they prepared to travel to Syria via Turkey posing as religious students.

    He was produced in court in Dhaka on Monday where he was remanded in custody for three days under Bangladesh’s Anti-Terrorism Act. He is accused of criminal conspiracy and supporting a banned militant organisation. If he is found guilty he could be sentenced to life imprisonment.

    Dhaka police said in a statement that he had confessed “he was staying in Bangladesh to recruit jihadists for the IS and Nusra brigade (an affiliate of Al-Qaeda). He further disclosed he took part in jihadi activities in Syria between September and December 2013”. Detectives are now investigating how his alleged recruitment operation was funded.

    Police said they had learned of his recruitment drive when seven alleged Islamic militants arrested earlier this month said a British man known as ‘Ibn Hamden’ was approaching militants to join Isil fighters in Syria. One of those suspects was an associate of Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, the 21 year old student behind the failed 2012 attack on New York’s Federal Reserve Bank.




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    According to police Mr. Rahman had adopted a more radical Islamic lifestyle after he was arrested in London for being drunk two years ago and was detained for several days. After he was released, he advertised on the internet for an Arabic teacher to improve his understanding of the Quran.

    In the advert, posted online in November 2012, he said he had struggled with learning the language online and wanted to study “classical Arabic so that I can understand the Quran, preferably in the Middle East, Egypt, Yemen, Morocco”.

    He later traveled to Morocco and Mauritania before spending three months in Syria late last year. He arrived in Bangladesh on February 25th this year to begin his ISIL recruitment drive, detectives said.

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    In an exclusive interview with the Telegraph as he waited to be remanded at Dhaka’s Metropolitan Magistrates Court, Mr. Rahman denied the charges and said he had no involvement in terrorism or with jihadist groups and that he had simply returned to Bangladesh to deal with a family property dispute.

    He confirmed he had traveled with a friend to Syria last year but said it was for a humanitarian aid mission. He had been detained by British counter-terrorism officers after he landed at Gatwick on his return, but they had accepted his explanation and released him after a few hours, he said.


    He declined to comment on police claims that he had been radicalised after being arrested and jailed for being drunk and said his conviction was now “spent.” He had studied the Quran to “become a better person”, he said.

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    Detectives had arrested him at his family home in Sylhet and had held him for five days before staging a fake arrest at a Dhaka railway station on Sunday, he claimed. He said he believed police had arrested him after they intercepted a telephone conversation in which he discussed his work in Syria with another suspected militant who was recently arrested by police. He conceded the person he was talking to may have been involved in terrorism but declined to explain what they had discussed.

    “Whoever I was speaking to maybe is amongst this scenario. They have no proof against me…and just because I spoke to someone about being in Syria, it wasn’t even in Syria, just the border, I think they go over-happy, something like this and they must have contacted a few other people and they said some stuff, but they did not mention my name. I saw the transcripts of the phone calls of the other persons. They never mentioned my name, and now I am under suspicion for trying to take people to Syria”, he said.


    At Mr. Rahman's family home near Grays Inn Road, Holborn, east London, a woman who said he was his sister said the family had “no idea what was going on”. “We don't know what he was doing out there. We don't know anything about it. I can't really speak to you”, she said.
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    A neighbour said Mr. Rahman had turned to Islam while serving a prison sentence. “Before he went to prison, he wasn't religious at all. He drank all the time. He was completely antisocial and always arguing with his older brother about this and that.


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    “He's lived here with his mum and sisters for years. Then he got put inside. When he came out after a few months he was wearing the full Muslim gear, the hat, the robe, the beard - everything. I couldn't even recognise him. “I assumed he was putting it all on so he could get out of prison early. But instead of standing around on the streets, he started going to the mosque all the time. All the drink stopped.

    “But then he went away to the Middle East. I know his mum told one of the neighbours she was worried he'd gone to fight with ISIS. It must be terrible for her.”

    Mr. Rahman is accused of recruiting would-be Isil fighters in Dhaka and in Sylhet, in the north of the country, where his family are believed to have relatives.

    well that is news today  and I have tons of questions very few could answer...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • United Against I.S. - The Sun
     Reply #5 - October 25, 2014, 02:18 AM

    I'm not a fan of The Sun but they have the biggest circulation of any UK newspaper , so this should be welcomed.The Guardian et al and places like this are mostly preaching to the converted, this will reach a lot of people
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