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 Topic: I'm married to a Muslim

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  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #30 - January 10, 2015, 06:47 PM

    Hi musivore,

    Kudos to you for participating in this radio documentary.  Afro

    My thoughts are:
    - Your wife is the one who should apologise to you and your son not you, since she married you knowing you didn't believe in God or were not religious. She is the one who changed (in terms of religiousity) since marriage not you.

    - Personally, I don't think I could love someone who treated me unkindly and didn't love me back.

    - I have never seriously considered reverting to Islam. Never. Once I realised it's all bullshit, there was no way I could make myself believe it. Going back in the closet, possibly. But there are costs to living in the closet, and the benefits are not strong enough for me. For some people the costs of living outside the closet are too high, and that's fair enough. Everyone's circumstances are different.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #31 - January 10, 2015, 07:44 PM

    musivore,

    I should add that you come across as an honest, kind person. Too nice perhaps.  Smiley

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #32 - January 10, 2015, 07:52 PM

    Thanks Abu and Questioner. I presented this thread all wrong, that's why you got confused about whether or not this is me. My bad.


    You came across really well. Honest, articulate and frank. It was extremely moving - and as I say I really can relate to what you said. It's not about lacking balls - it's about being compassionate, caring and trying to steer the path of least pain for all.

    Thanks so much for sharing this, Musivore  far away hug
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #33 - January 10, 2015, 09:43 PM

    Musivore- No, I wouldn't consider coming out and saying I'm not a Muslim. I do say that I have doubts and that I don't agree with everything and my family thinks I'm just a struearlyg Muslim. I daydream often about sending off an email to everyone saying that I no longer believe and then living my own life, but I have kids to raise.


    I know where you're coming from early bird.

    Musivore- No, I wouldn't consider coming out and saying I'm not a Muslim. I do say that I have doubts and that I don't agree with everything and my family thinks I'm just a struggling Muslim. I daydream often about sending off an email to everyone saying that I no longer believe and then living my own life, but I have kids to raise.


    I still know where you are coming from. I'd happily sacrifice my life for my kid. That's partly what I'm doing, in a slow, subtle and unheroic way.

    Hi
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #34 - January 10, 2015, 09:45 PM

    I saw this on FB, and I knew it was you without even hearing it! Just came here to confirm it. Listening to it right now.


    Ah, my favourite clever person. I'm so happy to see you again. I hope all is good. Have you found the theory of everything yet?

    Hi
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #35 - January 10, 2015, 10:00 PM

    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/553519570280280064 - The whole 30 min programme is on here. Features some other interesting cases.


    Thanks for posting that.  Afro

    Yes all the stories were fascinating and rang a bell with some of my own experiences.

    I thought the gay couple with one orthodox Jew was interesting - my God those dietary laws would drive me insane lol
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #36 - January 10, 2015, 10:20 PM

    Hi musivore,

    Kudos to you for participating in this radio documentary.  Afro

    My thoughts are:
    - Your wife is the one who should apologise to you and your son not you, since she married you knowing you didn't believe in God or were not religious. She is the one who changed (in terms of religiousity) since marriage not you.

    - Personally, I don't think I could love someone who treated me unkindly and didn't love me back.

    - I have never seriously considered reverting to Islam. Never. Once I realised it's all bullshit, there was no way I could make myself believe it. Going back in the closet, possibly. But there are costs to living in the closet, and the benefits are not strong enough for me. For some people the costs of living outside the closet are too high, and that's fair enough. Everyone's circumstances are different.


    To add to my joy of hearing from GRB, I see you've popped in also Smiley I get the impression that you go away, climb a few mountains, do some amazing charitable deeds, hike around the world, and then pop back in here and say hi occasionally. Have I got you worked out dude?

    For me, I feel that it is worth being in the closet at the moment. Abu sums it up really well above. It is perhaps about trying to steer the path of least pain for all?

    For one thing, I honestly believe that my son and I are both better off living under the same roof as each other every single night of every single week. I hate the way he wakes up at 5 at the weekend and scuttles into my room and peppers me with kisses till I awake. I hate the way he expects me to carry him when he's tired, pick him up when he falls, comfort him when he cries, patch up his toys after he's deliberately broken them, and feed him when he is too busy to put the fucking food in his own mouth. I hate that he makes me search the entire house for small inconsequential Lego pieces that he regularly somehow loses. I hate that I am responsible for another human life, and that I have to make sure he is always warm, always safe, always protected, always well fed, and always loved. I hate that I have to be there always, doing everything I can to make sure that he grows fully into the wonderful individual that God has chosen him to be one day. I hate all of that, but I cannot possibly contemplate a life where I can do those things for him only at weekends, or only at alternative weekends, or even only at the occasional midweek nights.

    Secondly, I have made a vow to my wife to be there for her, and with her, to my dying day. I'm not going to let a stupid crazy little thing like religion get in the way of me keeping that vow. She may do, but I will never give up. I will continue to love her, continue to put up with her nonsense, continue to hang in there and continue to fight for our marriage. One day, when she hopefully rediscovers sense, and comes out of the darkness that currently plagues her mind, she will find me there waiting on the other side.

    God, I've ranted much more than I planned to. Apologies for that....But thanks Ateapot and Abu for your incredibly kind words  Afro



    Hi
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #37 - January 10, 2015, 10:48 PM

    I for one think you are amazing.
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #38 - January 10, 2015, 10:53 PM

    Awww thank you. That means so much coming from someone who is so loved and respected by all.

    Hi
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #39 - January 10, 2015, 10:55 PM


    Secondly, I have made a vow to my wife to be there for her, and with her, to my dying day. I'm not going to let a stupid crazy little thing like religion get in the way of me keeping that vow. She may do, but I will never give up. I will continue to love her, continue to put up with her nonsense, continue to hang in there and continue to fight for our marriage. One day, when she hopefully rediscovers sense, and comes out of the darkness that currently plagues her mind, she will find me there waiting on the other side.






    I was that wife for a while. She will rediscover sense, you can only hold it off for so many years.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #40 - January 10, 2015, 11:04 PM

    Thanks3.  Your husband waited?

    Hi
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #41 - January 10, 2015, 11:10 PM

    No. My husband was Muslim, but left me when I became more religious. He wanted a Western girl, not a Muslim woman. But if you have ever had sense, then to maintain delusion becomes harder work after the first few years. Much of Islamic practice and theory defies common sense, and the further you get into it, the harder it is to keep it up.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #42 - January 10, 2015, 11:56 PM

    Re; the wife becoming more religious as the marriage went on, I get that, mine did the same. What kills me though is before I converted, she used to say things like, you'll only be saying it (al shahada) for the day. Then a several years later down the track when I gently try our explain my beliefs are different to hers, she explains any  such talk would void the marriage. Strange how before we tied the knot she was okay to marry disbelieving infidel pretending to convert for the sake of keeping her family happy.
    Maybe one day I'll join you and your kid with my own kids for that Guinness you mentioned in the interview. Afro
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #43 - January 11, 2015, 12:04 AM

    I hope so Thomas. It has to be a gorgeous day in Ireland that day. We'll find a beer garden overlooking a rugged landscape. Our guinesses will be bought to our table by a beautiful, smiling, ginger waitress. Don't ask me why she has to be ginger, but that would complete the picture of the heaven that I look for.

    Hi
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #44 - January 11, 2015, 12:10 AM

    Stranger things haven't happened Musi, you may well look back and smile on this post in years to come. Afro
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #45 - January 11, 2015, 12:58 AM

    To add to my joy of hearing from GRB, I see you've popped in also Smiley I get the impression that you go away, climb a few mountains, do some amazing charitable deeds, hike around the world, and then pop back in here and say hi occasionally. Have I got you worked out dude?

    You're not a million miles off. Although I don't really do amazing charitable deeds. The 100 mile cyclosportives that I do are just for my own fun/torture.

    Also, talking of converts to Islam and marriage, a friend of mine hinted that there is a small chance that he will convert to Islam, since he has fallen in love with a Muslim. This friend is a fucking Physics teacher!  I keep hearing about stories that make me question my understanding of religion. Do people even care about whether it is true or not before converting?!!

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #46 - January 11, 2015, 01:05 AM

    You're not a million miles off. Although I don't really do amazing charitable deeds. The 100 mile cyclosportives that I do are just for my own fun/torture.

    Also, talking of converts to Islam and marriage, a friend of mine hinted that there is a small chance that he will convert to Islam, since he has fallen in love with a Muslim. This friend is a fucking Physics teacher!  I keep hearing about stories that make me question my understanding of religion. Do people even care about whether it is true or not before converting?!!


    Oh please don't Mr Physics! Some I think care more about ease of life than truth all the time.
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #47 - January 11, 2015, 01:27 AM

    Well, you did a lovely thing.


    Agreed.

    This friend is a fucking Physics teacher!


    Directly following an argument when the husband was still Muslim where I told him I believed that seasoned scientists were more likely to find flaws with religions, he asked the head of the physics department at our university with whom he was taking a class and would get extra help from during office hours, and the two of them sat in his office laughing about what utter fools atheists are and of course there's a God, although this physics professor preferred a more Christian one. Oops.

  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #48 - January 11, 2015, 08:22 PM

    What is this three (four?) in a bed stuff about?


    Hi, not sure but I think it has something to with being told to marry someone who will increase your deen. Often we were told that this deen business was what we should be looking for, even over character (the logic was that high religiosity = good character). Thank you, facebook memes Tongue anyway it gradually became this be-all, end-all type of thing. Without it, marriage is meaningless. Ugh. Oh and we had 3 in the marriage for sure, we used to say stuff like "God comes first, then spouse,". Total lie of course, we were mad about each other lol. We gave that whole concept a lot of lip service, but eventually realised our relationship was built on far much more. It seems so obvious now, and shallow frankly, but at the time it was like religious law :/

    Rhoeo - It definitely makes it easier if your partner is on board - at least there is no pretending at home. I remember when we both realised the other was not praying anymore - there was this awkward eye contact and an embarrassed laugh, neither of us had the words for it. It was a strange moment.

    Musivore - I have lurked a while Smiley I also still have days when I feel bad for having left Islam and then I just can't log in.

    Just read your latest posts here. Your wife must surely appreciate your attitude and committment in the very least. You seem like a good-hearted person judging by your posts, you can always hope that bypasses any religiosity issues she may still have...good luck mate.

    Don't damn me when I speak my mind, 'cause silence isn't golden when I'm holding it inside. - Guns n' Roses

    3 koiraa 1 kissa <3
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #49 - January 11, 2015, 08:38 PM

    The REM song is "Losing my Religion".

    My live is so completely different to yours that there is absolutely nothing I can draw on to offer support. I hope things go better for you in the future.
  • I'm married to a Muslim
     Reply #50 - January 11, 2015, 08:39 PM

    Lol. I'm sure you could if you tried. Youre just in a humble mood.

    And thanks for saying that Omena Smiley

    Hi
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