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  • Stephen Fry has every right to call God an evil, monstrous maniac
     OP - February 05, 2015, 07:58 AM

    Stephen Fry has every right to call God an evil, monstrous maniac ... says Archbishop


    Left: Stephen Fry. Right: Justin Welby Photo: AP/LAMBERTH PALACE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
    Stephen Fry on God

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    Stephen Fry has every right to call God an evil, monstrous maniac ... says Archbishop

    Justin Welby says Christians must stand up for religious freedom of atheists and Muslims as much as themselves

    By John Bingham, Religious Affairs Editor

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    5:27PM GMT 04 Feb 2015

    The Archbishop of Canterbury has come to the defence of Stephen Fry who infuriated Christians by denouncing God as “utterly evil”, “capricious, mean-minded, stupid” and “monstrous”.

    The Most Rev Justin Welby insisted that the atheist comedian and writer had a God-given right to express his beliefs and should not be abused by Christians for doing so.

    He added that the Church must speak out in defence of religious freedom – but with the humility of a reformed alcoholic who recognises that they once practised the very things they now urge people not to do.

    His intervention came as he spoke about the suffering of Christians and other faiths around the world at the launch of a new Religious Liberty Commission set up by a group of charities and campaign groups to highlight the spread of persecution.

    The meeting in the chapel of the Houses of Parliament heard harrowing first-hand testimony about brutality meted out to many Christian groups in Eritrea and reports of suffering in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

    He said Christians must continue to bring such cases to the eyes of the world but added that churches including the Church of England must also recognise their own history of involvement in oppression and must defend the rights of followers of other faiths now.

    “We find it fine to say that a particular church is doing incredibly well and is full every Sunday but at the same time feeling uncomfortable about the Mosque down the road that has people outside because they can’t fit them in,” he said.

    “Well, if we believe in freedom of choice, if we believe in freedom of religion what is good for one is good for all.


    “We must speak out for others persecuted for their beliefs whether it be religious or atheistic.

    “Taking responsibility for someone else's freedom is as important as my own.

    “It is as much the right of Stephen Fry to say what he said and not to be abused improperly by Christians who are affronted as it is the right of Christians to proclaim Jesus Christ.

    “That is his freedom to choose that is given to us in creation.”

    Mr Fry triggered an Internet storm last week when lashed out at the idea of God during an interview with Gay Byrne, the veteran chat-show host, on Ireland’s RTE.

    Asked what he would say to God if he found himself standing at the gates of Heaven, he said he would say: "How dare you. How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that's not our fault? It’s not right. It's utterly, utterly evil.”

    He added: "The God who created this universe, if he created this universe, is quite clearly a maniac, an utter maniac, totally selfish.”

    Archbishop Welby went on to detail personal accounts he had been given of religious persecution and told of an email he received on Tuesday from the Anglican Bishop in Peshawar reporting how a school had been raided and attacked.

    He (Welby) went on: “We know about the attacks on Jewish communities, about this atrocious development of attacks on Jewish communities across Europe.

    “We know about attacks on Muslims – mosques firebombed in this country – [and] on other faiths.

    “But we also know in some countries about the quiet creeping removals of freedom which breed a climate of fear and animosity.”

    Referring to a reading detailing how members of one German church next to a railway track had sung hymns loudly to drown out the cries of Jews being transported to concentration camps, he said atrocities did not come out of nowhere.

    “That breeding of a climate of fear and humility is where we must speak out and we must speak with humility and boldness,” he said.
    Emphaisising that he was referring to churches when he said “we”, he went on: “Boldness we do but [we also need] deep humility – the humility of the alcoholic who used to do this sort of thing themselves but has learnt right from wrong and stands up and says 'don’t be as I was'.”


    During a question-and-answer session afterwards he thanked the former MP Evan Harris, a humanist, for his efforts to abolish the blasphemy laws in the UK and said he opposed all restrictions on freedom of speech concerning religion which did not constitute hate speech.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11390652/Stephen-Fry-has-every-right-to-call-God-an-evil-monstrous-maniac-...-says-Archbishop.html
  • Stephen Fry has every right to call God an evil, monstrous maniac
     Reply #1 - February 12, 2015, 03:44 AM

    Nice to read about the religious sticking up for free speech.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Stephen Fry has every right to call God an evil, monstrous maniac
     Reply #2 - March 18, 2015, 10:41 PM

    I like Welby, he is a nice sensible guy. When imams are like him we know we are going in the right direction. Must disagree with him that Fry had a 'God-Given' right to free speech. Even if biblegod exists, he certainly didn't give Fry the 'right' to slag him off. God HATES being slagged off.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
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