Did you ever feel there is a sort of idolatry in Islam?

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Did you ever feel there is a sort of idolatry in Islam?
Reply #30 - February 14, 2013, 04:02 PM

Quote from: e-raja on February 14, 2013, 03:53 PM
The quasi-worship of the messenger of Islam is what initailly made me turn to quran only. In the brelvi school there is the darood/supplication that all are taught, in which it says 'maulana mohammed', if my arabic is up to scratch means 'our master' mohammed. This got the alarm bells ringing because I considered God to be the only master. Also there is a situation in the indian subcontinent of saints/pirs, where tombs are flocked to offer prayers to the saints.

I know the dawat-e-islami teach that the prophet can hear us and we can offer prayers through him. Theres also the standard belief that mohammed was perfect.

All this really does make a case for Muslim essentially deifying mohammed, Muslim obviously get offended because they go to great lengths to state they are the only religion where there is strictly no idol worship.

This is also the main thing that drew me to Salafism. The idea that saints or any other dead people had any power was just absurd to me. Then I found out the salafis had plenty of absurd stuff of their own to make up for it all.
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Reply #31 - February 14, 2013, 04:58 PM

This issue has created a big rift in the muslims community in britain. Basically every talk hosted my a popular brelvi imam spend 30 mins condemming wahabbis/salafs not accepting the prophet is still among in some form. Then they try to reassure the public that the stuff they are doing is perfectly fine. In the salaf mosques it is vice verser.

My own reluctance to accept saints and pray directly to god, had my family on my back claiming I was a wahabbi. Thiks deifying issue really hit alot of nerves in hanafi branch and sufi mixtures.
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Reply #32 - February 14, 2013, 06:26 PM

And guys, don't forget the endless worship of the Kaba stone. The stone about which all Muslims, without exception, bow to, cry towards, circle and pray to, kiss and hug etc.

The irony of history. According to Islamic literature, The Kaba used to be a place of idolatry and polytheism. Then Mo came along and demolished all the idols, just so Muslims could worship the Kaba instead.

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Reply #33 - February 14, 2013, 06:30 PM

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Reply #34 - February 14, 2013, 06:53 PM

i think the whole idea of the black stone (which is a stone from heaven placed on the Kabah) resembles that kind of holy attachments to inanimate objects. Kissing it and believing it has some kind of powers is idolatry, even if they don't take it as a god per say.
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Reply #35 - February 15, 2013, 02:21 AM

Quote from: e-raja on February 14, 2013, 04:58 PM
Basically every talk hosted my a popular brelvi imam spend 30 mins condemming wahabbis/salafs not accepting the prophet is still among in some form.

The Salafis have a point. Playing devil's advocate, from their point of view. Because this idea of the prophet still being present in some form seems a very Hindu / polytheist / possibly pantheistic kind of belief.

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Reply #36 - February 15, 2013, 02:26 AM

Quote from: Minimow on February 14, 2013, 06:26 PM
And guys, don't forget the endless worship of the Kaba stone. The stone about which all Muslims, without exception, bow to, cry towards, circle and pray to, kiss and hug etc.

The irony of history. According to Islamic literature, The Kaba used to be a place of idolatry and polytheism. Then Mo came along and demolished all the idols, just so Muslims could worship the Kaba instead.

ha yeah well put

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Reply #37 - December 18, 2015, 03:34 PM

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Quote from: happymurtad on February 13, 2013, 10:22 PM
For all practical purposes, Muhammad IS Allah. ........

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Reply #38 - December 18, 2015, 08:55 PM

So, does that mean we can go back to naming "Islam" as "Mohamedanism"?
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Reply #39 - December 18, 2015, 09:32 PM

Quote from: billy on February 13, 2013, 09:54 PM
Yes. Muhammad is virtually idol worshipped in Islam.

Yes. In all but name. And even there there is some wiggle room - saying his name is an important part of salah, etc.
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