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 Topic: The Religious Mind Parasite

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  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #30 - May 16, 2014, 12:52 AM

    For sure. But I am by no means suggesting that atheism is a religion. I'm saying that the obvious implication that atheism exists as a result of religion might represent the next evolutionary step of the religious mind parasite.

    I'm not sure I've been making myself clear. My apologies if that is the case.I am proposing that atheism is the latest, and perhaps the last, step of the evolution of the religious parasite.

     


    I think your statement might be more accurate if you take out the word atheism and replace it with the group of ideologies including  "Skepticism, Scientific inquiry and secular humanism"

    Are you trying to say that those ideas as a group are replacing the need for religion ?   Because that is what the atheist and secularist movement that you seem to be referring to is composed of. 

    I'm going to watch the vid before responding to you because I still can't quite grasp what you are referring to when you use the word "atheism".

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #31 - May 16, 2014, 04:01 AM

    Or pristine emptiness. Facing the void without fear.


    beautiful

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #32 - May 24, 2014, 05:20 PM

    draggin out an old post that i enjoyed,  i forgot to say that our modern day rejection of montheistic religions - the dinos so to speak has also produced an emergence of spriritual new ageism as well as atheism. New agesim, as old as it is of time, is quite a huge movement at present on a global scale, so i'm not sure how atheism (a non beleif) is the next step in our evolutuonary thinking..?

    2 cents
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #33 - September 17, 2014, 11:55 PM

    http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=8107

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #34 - September 18, 2014, 12:36 AM

    What a beautiful find! I especially like the ending where he recommends exposing your children to as many "God viruses" as possible to build up their immunity. Such a simple but counterintuitive solution.
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #35 - September 18, 2014, 12:38 AM

    It is why I like it when Muslim parents send their kids to Catholic schools. Alternate ethos around them is good as a counterweight to the home environment.
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #36 - September 18, 2014, 10:14 AM

    Many of you are likely familiar with the idea of religion as a meme, a mind parasite, if you will that has co-evolved along with its human host. Having its origins in the superstitions that arose due to misfirings of our survival instincts, religion would have  emerged as ideas when Homo sapiens first assigned agency to the forces of nature that triggered our “fight or flight” reflexes, among other reflexes.

    Once incepted, superstitions and religions would have spread in the real estate of our minds, competing for that space against other ideas and morphing and evolving as they dug deeper into our psyche in ways that would ensure their survival in us, the host. The most advanced religions would develop a sort of symbiotic relationship with us, giving us benefits like comfort and social harmony while literally draining us of our physical, logical, and creative resources.

    But like I said, most of you are probably familiar with this theory. If you are not, I highly recommend that you watch this video by Dr. Daniel Dennett, author of Breaking the Spell, who explains this position far more eloquently than I ever could.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV-6vJcwJkc
    [b]As I thought about the implications a little more this evening, though, this thought really gave me something to ponder: what if the emergence of atheism as an idea and as a movement in many instances is really an example of an adaptation of the religious meme/parasite that aids its own survival?[/b]

    Religion as an idea has no agency or vested interest in the form it takes; so long as it continues to exist it will continue to represent the successful evolution of an idea. Therefore, as human beings can rationally demonstrate that the things that have manifestly constituted religion should not exist any longer amongst us, the idea of religion has no choice but to morph into atheism in order to survive. By atheists [I]having[/I] to discuss, confront, and disprove the things that make up religion, the idea itself is perpetuated in our minds. Even as we as disbelievers seemingly have to discuss the topic on regular occasion, the topic itself lives on as a success in spite of whether we like it or not. In a sense, it has survived the anti-virus as something else entirely. It doesn’t die.

    As I type this, I’m not sure it will make sense to everyone, but if it makes sense to you, please discuss. Also, if you know of anyone else who has documented reaching this conclusion as well, please share as I am interested in reading more.

    Ha!   I didn't know happymurtad is a Dan Dennett fan..  But I think I can use these words
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    Once incepted, superstitions and religions would have spread in the real estate of our minds, competing for that space against other ideas and morphing and evolving as they dug deeper into our psyche in ways that would ensure their survival in us, the host. The most advanced religions would develop a sort of symbiotic relationship with us, giving us benefits like comfort and social harmony while literally draining us of our physical, logical, and creative resources.

    to file a court case against all religions.. Thy really constrained and wasted the most important  human resource for the past 2000 years.,  THEY SHOULD BE FINED AND CONFINED TO JAIL .. well if not jail they should be put in to libraries and should not be allowed in public places such as roads, parks which are  supported by  tax payers  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #37 - February 27, 2015, 05:09 PM

    what if the emergence of atheism as an idea and as a movement in many instances is really an example of an adaptation of the religious meme/parasite that aids its own survival?

    ...the idea of religion has no choice but to morph into atheism in order to survive. By atheists having to discuss, confront, and disprove the things that make up religion, the idea itself is perpetuated in our minds



    I'm not sure I agree with this as I don't see how it would aid the survival of the religious meme by morphing into atheism, since if successful then religion will disappear and atheism will no longer be an idea even worth discussing.

    Also amongst things that has made religion such a stubbornly persistent and long-lived meme are the fact that it provides man with feelings of security, comfort, empowerment (in a world where he is largely powerless), meaning, direction etc... (and for the stewards of the religion and their partners amongst the rulers - power to control and manipulate others.)

    Atheism provides none of these.
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #38 - February 27, 2015, 05:17 PM

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    real estate of our minds


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hcZ4s9cvpw

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #39 - February 27, 2015, 05:20 PM

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  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #40 - February 27, 2015, 05:24 PM

     Maybe they are the antidote?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #41 - February 27, 2015, 06:04 PM

    I'm not sure I agree with this as I don't see how it would aid the survival of the religious meme by morphing into atheism, since if successful then religion will disappear and atheism will no longer be an idea even worth discussing.

    Also amongst things that has made religion such a stubbornly persistent and long-lived meme are the fact that it provides man with feelings of security, comfort, empowerment (in a world where he is largely powerless), meaning, direction etc... (and for the stewards of the religion and their partners amongst the rulers - power to control and manipulate others.)

    Atheism provides none of these.

    Yes. This is part of the point. I think Luthiel surmised this very well here:
    For those who are "actively" atheist in response to a religious background, even in as small a way as to simply have chosen it over religion, atheism does seem to exist in the mind as an evolution of religion. However, I would say there is one key difference between atheism and religion as mind parasites: atheism is not contagious. It doesn't get passed on between generations like religion does. At least that's how I see it, as I don't think atheism is prevalent enough yet to see exactly how it behaves. Most atheists I know are first generation atheists, and I don't see them actively passing on atheism to their children. They are raising their children in environments devoid of religious/non-religious ideas. That's not to say they don't learn about or understand religion; it simply doesn't apply to daily life, much like ancient mythology. The only role I've seen it take in their personal lives is when they interact with children of religious families; otherwise it is simply a non issue.

    If atheism is the next evolutionary step of the mind parasite of religion, then I believe it is the last one before extinction. It does not provide an inherent symbiotic relationship with the human mind, which it would need in order to survive. Atheism itself only provides a benefit in the context of religion, and by making religion irrelevant so it makes itself. That mind real estate it so desperately wants to hang onto will soon be occupied instead by science, humanism, rational thought, and the like, all of which exist independently and have no need of a host to survive.

    Of course it won't happen all at once. Evolution is a slow process. The religious mind parasite has survived a long time through many stages of evolution, and atheism may be its last ditch effort. If so, it's finally done itself in.


    To be clear, I’m not saying that the idea of atheism (as in, the actual thoughts that occur in our minds) is a religion, or even that it maintains those attributes of the religious meme that made it successful. I’m saying that they may stem from our previous preoccupation with ideas regarding God, religion, etc.

    For those ideas to continue to occupy the time and space in our minds as they do, they needed to do so as atheism/agnosticism rather than as a manifestation of religious belief.

    With that said, what will likely follow is probably a lot like what Luthiel described: Thinking about atheism simply does not do the same things that thinking about religion does. There is no comfort to be had, no support through hard times, and no real and serious mechanism for trying to convert (infect) others. Therefore, it is likely an adaptation that will eventually die out. (Or, it may morph into something else entirely, like renewed and adapted faith, which may allow it to survive.) 
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #42 - February 27, 2015, 06:28 PM

    My own view - which was one of Dennet's possible scenarios of what will happen to religion - is that it is in it's death throes and will eventually die out. Though this process will be long and quite painful.

    I disagree somewhat with Dennet's analogy with the parasite that get's into the ants brain and makes it climb up grass so it can be eaten by sheep and therefore passed on - bringing no benefit to the ant.

    I agree religion is a meme that made use of our tendency to see an agency and to get ready for fight or flight. But I believe it is a meme that has served a useful function for man in the past. Some of the useful functions have been mention so I wont list them again.

    However I believe as man is evolving and changing and we are beginning to outgrow religion and as its usefulness wanes so will it.

    Don't expect anything soon though.
  • The Religious Mind Parasite
     Reply #43 - February 27, 2015, 06:43 PM

    It’s interesting stuff. I honestly thought his ant analogy was spot on, particularly when I think of how religions drive people to do things that are ultimately useless or even destructive to their own lives.

    If I had to bet on it, I’d probably put my money on the “death throes” hypothesis as well. Still, any one of those scenarios could potentially play out – Judgment Day being the most disturbing and least likely in my opinion.  Grin
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