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  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     OP - October 03, 2015, 11:51 AM
    I'm in conversation with a Muslim friend about the claim that the Quran is devine. I get the feeling that one big reason he believes is because the signs of the day of judgement are coming true.

    eg: "Time will pass more quickly."

    My friend says that he's talked to many people who keep saying "oh, I don't know where the time goes these days." - therefore it's a sign that this sign is coming true.

    I countered with:

    * you just have anecdotal evidence
    * people are busier these days because there is more choice of activities, communications technology allows us to organize things better etc
    * when working in a day-to-day routine with little variety we tend to see one day blur into the next and a whole week can seem to pass quickly. Contract this with a holiday or some other period where you do things out of your normal routine - in those situations time seems to stretch.
    My religious doctrine: Be excellent to each other!
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #1 - December 08, 2015, 04:53 AM
    Well , the thing is , the "signs" are so vague that they can be stapled with almost any event.
    There are much more "Accurate" prophecies about the happening of 9/11. (nostradamus , anyone ?)
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #2 - December 08, 2015, 12:54 PM
    Yeah, "signs" or "prophecy" is bogus.

    Literally anything can be a prophecy. I think it's called sharpshooter fallacy?
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #3 - December 08, 2015, 01:30 PM
    If they are signs of judgement day, then we have to wait until judgement day to verify them.
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #4 - December 08, 2015, 03:50 PM
    The craziest nutter I've ever come across was that he said the end times are here for sure because Harun Yahya is our awaited Mehdi..
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #5 - December 08, 2015, 07:47 PM
    Allah's apostle said, "The Hour will not be established till the buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daus move while going round Dhi-al-Khalasa." Since this tribe no longer exists, judgement day can't come. Afro
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #6 - December 08, 2015, 07:54 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on December 08, 2015, 07:47 PM
    Allah's apostle said, "The Hour will not be established till the buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daus move while going round Dhi-al-Khalasa." ................

    Hmm. ..buttocks of the women  ...let me put the complete hadith with reference  .

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    Volume 9, Book 88, Number 232:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established till the buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daus move while going round Dhi-al-Khalasa." Dhi-al-Khalasa was the idol of the Daus tribe which they used to worship in the Pre Islamic Period of ignorance.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #7 - December 08, 2015, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: cloaked_malachi on October 03, 2015, 11:51 AM
    I'm in conversation with a Muslim friend about the claim that the Quran is devine. I get the feeling that one big reason he believes is because the signs of the day of judgement are coming true.

    eg: "Time will pass more quickly."

    My friend says that he's talked to many people who keep saying "oh, I don't know where the time goes these days." - therefore it's a sign that this sign is coming true.


    Humans do not track time well hence why we developed clocks. People being absent-minded or focused on a task in which they lose track of time is irrelevent as a simple clock next to them will show time has not change. It is their ability to track it which has.


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    *you just have anecdotal evidence


    It does not fit the criteria of evidence within science, it fits within evidence within the justice system.

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    * people are busier these days because there is more choice of activities, communications technology allows us to organize things better etc

    * when working in a day-to-day routine with little variety we tend to see one day blur into the next and a whole week can seem to pass quickly. Contract this with a holiday or some other period where you do things out of your normal routine - in those situations time seems to stretch. [/quote]

    Good to see we both understand how people losing track of time is not a change of time itself but merely perception.

    This is all you really need to say once you undermine what is amusingly called evidence.
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #8 - December 08, 2015, 08:45 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on December 08, 2015, 07:54 PM
    Hmm. ..buttocks of the women  ...let me put the complete hadith with reference  .



    Surely, by any reasonable interpretation, he must have been using sarcasm, which means he was saying it won't happen at all.

    Drinks all round guys!
  • How to refute or agrue against the "signs" of the day of judgement?
     Reply #9 - December 08, 2015, 08:47 PM
    Oh.What about "test king"? Does that count?

    Edit: predictive text. "Twerking"
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