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  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     OP - December 15, 2015, 05:55 PM
    I've seen the concept of slavery best explained in this clip. Just wanted to start this thread so others can help the average muslim understand it clearly. Most of the time I hear the average muslim saying, "they had humane slavery back then, but we don't need it today." What they don't understand is that Islamists are trying to implement this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdptcryLvok
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #1 - December 15, 2015, 08:00 PM
    I hate it when the average Muslim dismisses Islamic slavery by claiming that it was humane. Wonder how much they would love being stripped of their freedom and forced to serve someone who may have killed their father/brother/son etc.
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #2 - December 15, 2015, 08:17 PM
    Exactly. It's the same with the wife beating argument. Most of them that argue for it have never endured an ass-whipping by the one they love.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #3 - December 15, 2015, 08:32 PM
    I swear I remember something about a woman/girl being beaten because she tried to cover her breasts. Being a slave this wasn't allowed.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #4 - December 15, 2015, 08:45 PM
    Yes, that was Umar's slave girl. Her crime was that she tried to imitate free women.
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #5 - December 15, 2015, 08:53 PM
    The most common rebuttal I've seen from Muslims to that narration was, "Umar didn't want slave women to imitate Muslim women, but it's not like he told them to be topless." (Which makes no sense)

    The sad thing was Umar ordered for slave women to be beat if they ever imitated the Muslim women in dress.

    Very immoral and sad. 040
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #6 - December 15, 2015, 09:03 PM
    "A woman was wed to her male slave. Umar intended to stone her, but instead he made them separate and sent the slave to exile. He told the woman, `It is unlawful for you to get married to your owned slave!' Another woman got married to her slave. Umar scourged her with a whip and forbade any man to marry her. Another time, a freewoman came to Umar and told him, `I am not a pretty woman and I have a slave to whom I would like to get married.' Umar refused to do so. He whipped the slave and ordered him to be sold in a foreign country. He told the woman, `It is unlawful for you to get married to what your right hand owns. Only men have the right to get wed to what their right hand owns. Even if you set him free in order to marry him and he becomes a freeman, the manumission will be invalid and the marriage is not valid."'

    I'm supposed to believe this is the 3rd best man to ever walk the face of the earth after Muhammad, and Abu Bakr?  wacko
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #7 - December 15, 2015, 09:03 PM
    There's another thread about that here:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=28422.0

    Even as a child I thought Umar to be a tyrant but it was haram and blasphemous to insult him.
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #8 - December 15, 2015, 09:23 PM
    It's funny how the Sunnis and Shia will dig up dirt on each other when they want to sabotage one another. The Shia will bring up these topics to say, "look Umar was a kafir! He forbade Hijab!" While the Sunnis will dig into their book, Al-Kafi and show that Shia Muslim women should never marry a black man..

    This is quoted from Ibnul Qayyim in Zad al-Maad (Provisions for the Hereafter).. <-- this book is supposed to be the "purification of the heart" book that Muslims hype up so much.

    "The slave does not get married without the approval of his master. If he is a slave to two masters, he has to obtain the approval of both men."

    That just says it all for me...
     
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #9 - December 15, 2015, 09:51 PM
    So all of those great rights that slaves that slaves were supposedly given under Islamic rule consist of what? Is it the usual "kind treatment" BS which is subjective anyway?
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #10 - December 15, 2015, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: ExMuslimVlogGuy on December 15, 2015, 09:23 PM
    It's funny how the Sunnis and Shia will dig up dirt on each other when they want to sabotage one another. The Shia will bring up these topics to say, "look Umar was a kafir! He forbade Hijab!" While the Sunnis will dig into their book, Al-Kafi and show that Shia Muslim women should never marry a black man......................


    Sunnis and  and shias preachers of Islam SINCE THE BEGINNING OF ISLAM ARE IDIOTS..  they added junk in to Quran .. added their own cock bull stories as  hadith for the sake of loot booty and power. And they are still doing the same thing

    ... The message of first prophet of Islam.... unknown guy after the death of another unknown Jesus Christ  was very very simple...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #11 - December 15, 2015, 10:10 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on December 15, 2015, 09:51 PM
    So all of those great rights that slaves that slaves were supposedly given under Islamic rule consist of what? Is it the usual "kind treatment" BS which is subjective anyway?


    The only thing I can think of is that they fed them and broke their Ramadan fasts with them.

    Uneducated American Muslims usually boast about "Islamic Slavery" when they see stories of the companions feeding their slaves and freeing them. They're not exposed to the dark side of it. With their already biased minds about "Slavery in America", the Muslims who were in charge of the dawah material purposely didn't make the dark side easily accessible in English sources.. I think the propaganda that "Islam gives slaves rights" started that way. But now with the internet, I think those who are not gullible can perform a google search.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #12 - December 15, 2015, 10:21 PM
    True, slaves in every society were fed and clothed, doesn't make slavery any less ugly.
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #13 - December 15, 2015, 10:47 PM
    When I read the narration or hadith, can't remember, about Bilal being called, "Abid Abid Abid" by these kids, it bothered me.

    There was really no strong reprimanding from Muhammad. It was sort of like, "Hey we're all slaves from Allah."

    Islam empowered the poor as most religions do, but it bothers me when Muslims say, "Islam wiped racism off the earth 1400 years ago!"

    No it didn't. 
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #14 - December 15, 2015, 11:37 PM
    It certainly did not. The Muslims who claim this never produce any evidence to the contrary.
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #15 - December 16, 2015, 01:03 AM
    Quote from: ExMuslimVlogGuy on December 15, 2015, 08:53 PM
    The most common rebuttal I've seen from Muslims to that narration was, "Umar didn't want slave women to imitate Muslim women, but it's not like he told them to be topless." (Which makes no sense)

    The sad thing was Umar ordered for slave women to be beat if they ever imitated the Muslim women in dress.

    Very immoral and sad. 040

    Lack of clothes was how you identified them.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #16 - December 16, 2015, 01:07 AM
    Quote from: ExMuslimVlogGuy on December 15, 2015, 05:55 PM
    Most of the time I hear the average muslim saying, "they had humane slavery back then, but we don't need it today."

    Sometimes one hears this same thing from Americans in the South (less so now, but it still gets mooted).

    Supporters of the "Lost Cause" will trot out a statistic that the Colonial Slave States like Virginia and South Carolina had a self-sustaining slave population which increased over the 1800s, where the Caribbean Slave States like Jamaica and Barbados kept having to import more. (Everyone is agreed that Haiti / Saint-Domingue was in a class by itself. *Nobody* excuses what the French did there.)

    It sounds almost convincing ...

    ... until one learns about the deliberate farming of black slaves in Virginia. Yeah. When Virginia's industrial slave-based agricultural economy started not being profitable, the Virginians got to farming the slaves themselves. I wish I was joking:
    http://www.amazon.com/American-Slave-Coast-Slave-Breeding-Industry/dp/1613748205/
  • Understanding Slavery In Islam
     Reply #17 - December 16, 2015, 02:31 AM
    It's so true. Slavery is never the answer, and it's amazing that we have people that want to revive this practice. They want to compromise all of the advancements we made in history.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
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