hello crumble and Ward_End there are some nuggets in your posts .. such as these highlighted statements So I will respond to them but not now
1). leaving religion is not a goal in of itself. it's just a means to an end.
2). cemb was a mistake but that's fine so long as people learn from it.
3). the lack of activity on this forum should point to people moving on from seeing themselves as a persecuted minority and just getting on with living normal-ish lives.
4). as a brown person in britain, I can't give you solutions for the subcontinent or any other foreign country. so find your own answers and ignore the self-appointed activists.
1). A good amount of work for its own sake has been undertaken by folks at cemb and other ex-Muslims/secularism so I wouldn't want to be glib on that point.
2). Look, it was never so much what people believed as it was how they affected society.
3). Secularism more than atheism.
4). Heck a lot of notable liberal/secular Muslims did a better job highlighting the problem of jihadism in Britain for example than born and bred atheists and liberals who'd rather not deal with Muslim thugs or Islamists in Bradford and elsewhere.
5). I think the ex-Muslim label holds a lot of value if you're in Iran or Saudi Arabia for example.
6) In the end it would be good to live in a society where calling yourself ex-Muslim seems quaint. Millions don't have that luxury.
So those are all very important points ... They need some time to think and write I will think about them and respond .. but for now .. Ward_End I don't get this from you
5). I think the ex-Muslim label holds a lot of value if you're in Iran or Saudi Arabia for example.
You mean to say., if you are living in Iran or Saudi Arabia .,
THIS EX-MUSLIM TAG WILL HAVE MORE VALUE??.. and this ex-Muslim tag has no value in other so-called Islamic nations where over 90% of their population follows Islam? ..such countries as ........
Afghanistan., Algeria.,, ., Egypt., Indonesia., Iraq., Jordan., Libya., Morocco., Palestine...Somalia., Sudan., Syria .. etc..etc
I ASK YOU WHY??
As far as crumble post is concerned ., this caught my eye...
2). cemb was a mistake but that's fine so long as people learn from it.
well you know the cemb forum was formed in some time in Nov. 2007., At that time it was an important step for many members that left "Faith freedom international(including me.. I USED TO LOOK AFTER THAT FORUM) and we are not living in the year 2010 or 2015 .. this is the end of 2022., you know we can make a Elon Musk jump
and make new forum., Anyway ., It is NOT that difficult to CLOSE THIS DOWN AND make a new forum... The only problem may be there are some very important posts and early Islam Literature here and there ..
I am not sure what people learn from this mistake of forming or joining this forum .. but your other points are valid..
best wishes
yeezevee
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