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  • Confessing to Relatives?
     OP - March 12, 2010, 09:42 AM
    Thanks guy's for your comments on my apostasy story.
          I really don't know what to do when I visit Saudi next time, no one there knows about my apostasy except my parents and my Saudi friends. I see my relatives very often when I'm there, especially my dad's side of the family. I just know they will suspect something when they see me not praying. I thought maybe I'll pretend to be a muslim there, but then I remember that my parents know who I really am, they will feel disgusted and angry when they see me pretending to pray. What should I do? I feel like I have no choice but to admit to my relatives and tell them who I am. They will probably know sooner or later, and I don't like lying when it comes to situations about being who I am. I really don't know how they will react. I also have a fair number of mutawwa' relatives, so I could expect some stupid shit. I also thought about e-mailing my closest relatives and confess to them now so that they will have time to take it all in, and be calmer by the time I visit them.

    What do guys think I should do?
    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

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  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #1 - March 12, 2010, 12:57 PM
    I wouldn't because of the crazy rules in that country. If your parents give you any grief tell them do you want me to get beheaded?

    I don't involve family in my apostasy, try not to discuss religion with my parents. In fact I havn't told any muslims I know about it and I don't think I will, I don't want to debate.
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #2 - March 12, 2010, 12:59 PM
    Better safe than sorry. Just go with the flow and avoid discussing religion etc with them.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #3 - March 12, 2010, 01:05 PM
    Beheaded, huh? hmm... good point. I mean, this is Saudi Arabia we're talking about after all! Not just any cooky muslim country!
    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #4 - March 12, 2010, 01:12 PM
    Try making jokes at Muslim hypocrisy just to test the waters first.  grin12

    I often say this joke in Urdu to make people chuckle "Muslims are only religious/disciplined about two things: Salat and showing a lack of dignity".

    Works like a charm in Pakistan.  dance
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #5 - March 12, 2010, 01:33 PM

    Take it easy, what's the rush. Establish yourself independantly, then tell them in a few years. You're still young.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #6 - March 12, 2010, 01:43 PM
    Yea I would say take it show.  Religion is one of the things you can't use reason and logic to explain your way out of something if someone gets agitated. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #7 - March 12, 2010, 02:17 PM
    You've done the most difficult part already; telling your parents. I haven't grown the balls for that yet . I wouldn't advise you to confess publicly. The news reaching a Mutawwa' from Al-Hay'ah would get you into big trouble. Just tell your very close friends if you feel they can be trusted on such a thing. Tell your parents that you pretending is for their and your own safety, I am pretty sure that they will understand.
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #8 - March 12, 2010, 05:22 PM
    Dont go out of your way to confess, and dont do the opposite either.  No need to fake prayers ither, just say you dont believe you have to pray to get to heaven if there is one, you have to be a good person first & foremost..
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  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #9 - March 12, 2010, 05:25 PM
    I have been told of a certain sea snake which has a very unusual method of attracting its prey. It will lie at the bottom of the ocean as if wounded. Then its enemies will approach, and yet it will lie quite still. And then its enemies will take little bites of it, and yet it remains still
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #10 - March 12, 2010, 05:38 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 12, 2010, 05:25 PM
    I have been told of a certain sea snake which has a very unusual method of attracting its prey. It will lie at the bottom of the ocean as if wounded. Then its enemies will approach, and yet it will lie quite still. And then its enemies will take little bites of it, and yet it remains still

    go on

    +where is this quote from? sounds extremely familiar
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #11 - March 12, 2010, 05:45 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 12, 2010, 05:38 PM
    go on

    +where is this quote from? sounds extremely familiar


    I search the faces of the gods... for ways to please you, to make you proud. One kind word, one full hug... where you pressed me to your chest and held me tight. Would have been like the sun on my heart for a thousand years. What is it in me that you hate so much?
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #12 - March 12, 2010, 05:46 PM
    gladiator
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  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #13 - March 12, 2010, 05:49 PM
     Cheesy


    But seriously Moe.. DO NOT confess to relatives! It's a waste of time and too risky where you live. Just focus on your life and live without religion and that way you can assert your beliefs and independence from islam via example. Words are cheap, just dismiss religious talks and dawah very spitefully when you get the chance but don't say anything that will incriminate you. Covert apostasy will enrage them more and perhaps more doubtful types in your family will approach *you* eventually to confide in.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #14 - March 12, 2010, 06:12 PM
    I'd advise to err on the side of safety. Saudi is a scary place for an apostate.
    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #15 - March 12, 2010, 06:26 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 12, 2010, 05:25 PM
    I have been told of a certain sea snake which has a very unusual method of attracting its prey. It will lie at the bottom of the ocean as if wounded. Then its enemies will approach, and yet it will lie quite still. And then its enemies will take little bites of it, and yet it remains still


     Cheesy

    Quote from: Iblis on March 12, 2010, 05:45 PM
    I search the faces of the gods... for ways to please you, to make you proud. One kind word, one full hug... where you pressed me to your chest and held me tight. Would have been like the sun on my heart for a thousand years. What is it in me that you hate so much?



    OMG   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    I have to leave this thread to compose myself, and wipe tea off my screen you fucker.

    You have my vote for JoTm.   Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #16 - March 12, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 12, 2010, 05:22 PM
    Dont go out of your way to confess, and dont do the opposite either.  No need to fake prayers ither, just say you dont believe you have to pray to get to heaven if there is one, you have to be a good person first & foremost..


    I'm afraid it's not so simple. I live with my parents and my mother is constantly pestering me about prayer. Some people just have to fake it. Praying is too important in Islam to just be dismissed. It would instantly raise suspicions.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #17 - March 12, 2010, 06:51 PM
    Naerys. That does suck. I never had to fake praying after I left Islam, but if I did I would have hated it. Use your position as a woman to your advantage: it is perfectly likely that your period could last up to 10 or 12 days, which means about a third of the time you'll be off the hook!
    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #18 - March 12, 2010, 06:55 PM
    No ho ho. You don't know my mother Tongue She is aware of each one of her daughters' cycle dates  Cheesy But I manage to get away with not praying half the time, so it's not so bad.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #19 - March 12, 2010, 06:55 PM
    Quote from: Naerys on March 12, 2010, 06:40 PM
    I'm afraid it's not so simple. I live with my parents and my mother is constantly pestering me about prayer. Some people just have to fake it. Praying is too important in Islam to just be dismissed. It would instantly raise suspicions.

    why dont you tell her to get lost?
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  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #20 - March 12, 2010, 06:59 PM
    Because I live under her room, and being an unmarried female I am subject to my father's authority. If I do what you suggest, life will get extremely complicated for me.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #21 - March 12, 2010, 07:04 PM
    Quote from: Naerys on March 12, 2010, 06:55 PM
    No ho ho. You don't know my mother Tongue She is aware of each one of her daughters' cycle dates  Cheesy

    That's kind of creepy. But at least you still get some time off.

    I don't suppose it would help to think of salaat as a yoga session?
    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #22 - March 12, 2010, 07:07 PM
    Excellent idea! The way I do it is just lock myself in my room wearing my salat gear (lulz) and play with my cellphone while sitting on the carpet, in case someone walks in.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #23 - March 12, 2010, 07:07 PM
    I wouldn't tell anybody about your apostasy in Saudi Arabia Moe. I would just pretend if I were you, its just for your own safety thats all.
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #24 - March 12, 2010, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: Naerys on March 12, 2010, 07:07 PM
    Excellent idea! The way I do it is just lock myself in my room wearing my salat gear (lulz) and play with my cellphone while sitting on the carpet, in case someone walks in.

    Oh that's a good idea! And then if they notice you've been sitting there for a long time it looks like you're extra pious Afro
    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #25 - March 12, 2010, 09:04 PM
    Even though I am in Canada trying to get accepted into and study animation, I am planning to still live here no matter what. It's just that I want to visit my country every once in a while to visit my family. There's no fucking way I'm staying there forever, cuz I'm not gonna be able to stand pretending for the rest of my life. But yeah, like you guys said, better be safe than sorry.
    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #26 - July 18, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Moe, that idea about the period sounds good. How could your mom be sure you're having a regular period. All the stress of travel, the jetlag.. your body reacted with an early period. Locking yourself in with the prayer carpet and salaat dress might make some people suspicious?
    In case of doubt it sounds like a better idea to fake the prayer than to end up facing death penalty
    Islam is truly a "tolerant" religion  lipsrsealed no
  • Re: Confessing to Relatives?
     Reply #27 - July 19, 2010, 09:21 AM
    Did I stumble in some sort of parallel dimension where Moe is a woman?

    Wow. I'm feeling really confused now.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
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