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  • Flood Stories from around the World
     OP - March 08, 2009, 09:37 AM

    Mark Isaak has collected hundreds of Flood stories from around the world. I found them fascinating. www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

    Here are some examples:


    Hindu:
    Manu, the first human, found a small fish in his washwater. The fish begged protection from the larger fishes, in return for which it would save Manu. Manu kept the fish safe, transferring it to larger and larger reservoirs as it grew, eventually taking it to the ocean. The fish warned Manu of a coming deluge and told him to build a ship. When the flood rose, the fish came, and Manu tied the craft to its horn. The fish led him to a northern mountain and told Manu to tie the ship's rope to a tree to prevent it from drifting. Manu, alone of all creatures, survived. He made offerings of clarified butter, sour milk, whey, and curds. From these, a woman arose, calling herself Manu's daughter. Whatever blessings he invoked through her were granted him. Through her, he generated this race.



    Lushai (Assam):

    The king of the water demons fell in love with the woman Ngai-ti (Loved One). She rejected him and ran away. He pursued and surrounded the whole human race with water on the hill Phun-lu-buk, said to be in the far northeast. Threatended by waters which continued to rise, the people threw Ngai-ti into the flood, which then receded. The receding water carved great valleys; until then, the earth had been level.



    Palau Islands (Micronesia):
    The stars are the shining eyes of the gods. A man once went into the sky and stole one of the eyes. (The Pelew Islanders' money is made from it.) The gods were angry at this and came to earth to punish the theft. They disguised themselves as ordinary men and went door-to-door begging for food and lodging. Only one old woman received them kindly. They told her to make a bamboo raft ready and, on the night of the next full moon, to lie down on it and sleep. This she did. A great storm came; the sea rose, flooded the islands, and destroyed everyone else. The woman, fast asleep, drifted until her hair caught on a tree on the top of Mount Armlimui. The gods came looking for her again after the flood ebbed, but they found her dead. So one of the women-folk from heaven entered the body and restored it to life. The gods begat five children by the old woman and then returned to heaven, as did the goddess who restored her to life. The present inhabitants of the islands are descendants of those five children.



    Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China, and neighboring areas):

    After death came into the world as a result of a macaque's curse, sky and earth longed for human souls and bones. That is how the flood began. An orphaned brother and sister lived in squalor in a village. A pair of golden birds flew down to them one day, warned them that a huge wave would flood the earth, and told them to take shelter in a gourd and not to come out until they heard the birds again. The two children warned their neighbors, but the people didn't believe them. The children sawed off the top of a gourd and went inside. For ninety-nine days, there was no wind or rain, and the earth became parched. Then torrents of rain fell, and the resulting flood washed everything away. The brother and sister occasionally could hear the gourd bump against the bottom of heaven. After long waiting, they heard the birds calling, left the gourd, and found they had landed atop a mountain, and the flood had receded. But now there were nine suns and seven moons in the sky, and they scorched the earth during the day. The two golden birds returned with a golden hammer and silver tongs and instructed the children how to use them to get the dragon king's bow and arrows. Brother and sister went to the dragon pond and struck the reef-home of the dragon king with the hammer. This raised such a racket that the dragon king sent his servants (various fish) to investigate. The children grabbed the fish with the tongs and threw them on the bank. At last, the dragon king himself came to investigate and had to give his bow and arrows when he was likewise caught. With these, brother and sister shot down all but the brightest sun and moon. Brother and sister then went in search of other people, exploring north and south respectively. They found nobody else, and the golden birds appeared again and urged them to marry. They refused, but the birds told them it was the will of heaven. After divinations in the form of several improbable events (tortoise shells landing a certain way, a broken millstone came together, and the brother shooting an arrow through a needle's eye--all happening three times), they consented. They had six sons and six daughters which traveled different directions and became the ancestors of different races.





    And, of course, last but the most famous:

    Hebrew:

    God, upset at mankind's wickedness, resolved to destroy it, but Noah was righteous and found favor with Him. God told Noah to build an ark, 450 x 75 x 45 feet, with three decks. Noah did so, and took aboard his family (8 people in all) and pairs of all kinds of animals (7 of the clean ones). For 40 days and nights, floodwaters came from the heavens and from the deeps, until the highest mountains were covered. The waters flooded the earth for 150 days; then God sent a wind and the waters receded, and the ark came to rest in Ararat. After 40 days, Noah sent out a raven, which kept flying until the waters had dried up. He next sent out a dove, which returned without finding a perch. A week later he set out the dove again, and it returned with an olive leaf. The next week, the dove didn't return. After a year and 10 days from the start of the flood, everyone and everything emerged from the ark. Noah sacrificed some clean animals and birds to God, and God, pleased with this, promised never again to destroy all living creatures with a flood, giving the rainbow as a sign of this covenant. Animals became wild and became suitable food, and Noah and his family were told to repopulate the earth. Noah planted a vineyard and one day got drunk. His son Ham saw him lying naked in his tent and told his brothers Shem and Japheth, who came and covered Noah with their faces turned. When Noah awoke, he cursed Ham and his descendants and blessed his other sons. [Genesis 6-9]


    Did this flood really happen? Was there a gigantic flood in our remote past, whose memory remained in our collective consciousness? Or why were so many similar myths created around the world on similar themse, with local variations?

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  • Re: Flood Stories from around the World
     Reply #1 - March 08, 2009, 10:06 AM

    I knew the Hindu and Hebrew variations, the others are news to me. I don't think myths need a common origin. Almost all religions have death-and-rebirth gods, but no physical resurrection of any human being has ever been recorded to date.

    If there's a common origin, maybe the rise of sea levels between glacial and interglacial periods may have inspired these myths. Apparently the last interglacial phase began 15,000 years ago, melting the ice sheets, etc. Just a thought.

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  • Re: Flood Stories from around the World
     Reply #2 - March 08, 2009, 11:10 AM

    Humans tend to live near water, for obvious reasons. Any place that has sufficient water to be attractive to humans is likely to experience floods. People tell stories, and the stories aren't always entirely accurate.  grin12

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was an element of "Call that a flood? I'll tell ya about a fukn flood, mate." in some of these legends.  Wink

    The last Ice Age is certainly a good candidate for the origin of some of these stories. For instance, the majority of what is now the North Sea used to be inhabited land during the last Ice Age, as did the area that is now under the Black Sea. There are also Australian Aboriginal stories about land that used to be east of the current coastline but is now submerged. This would make sense, as during an ice age large areas of the continental shelf would have been above sea level and the Aborigines have certainly been in Australia long enough for some of their ancestors to have witnessed the event.

    As for a global flood as described in the Old Testament, it didn't happen. Christians have been looking for such evidence for centuries and the only evidence that exists proves that the Genesis story is just a myth. There is literally reams of evidence against the flood of Noah from all sorts of scientific disciplines.

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  • Re: Flood Stories from around the World
     Reply #3 - March 08, 2009, 02:46 PM

    The Mediterranean has disappeared thro' evaporation  and reappeared again quite rapidly thro' Atlantic break-throughs, too, more than once in the past, as can be deduced from the geology. The most recent may be the candidate for some folkic-memory myth that was updated, dressed up and inserted into the OT.
    http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/science/flood.html

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  • Re: Flood Stories from around the World
     Reply #4 - March 08, 2009, 02:52 PM

    No it wouldn't, because the last time that happened was during the late Eocene around five or six million years ago. At that stage humans weren't around. 

    ETA: Actually the entire Messinian period is absolutely fascinating. The gorge underneath the present-day Nile Valley is enough on its own to completely sink the biblical flood story.

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  • Re: Flood Stories from around the World
     Reply #5 - March 08, 2009, 03:02 PM

    My apologies, see revised post link. that'll teach me to post before I've done the research. I was getting confused with the much more recent Nilotic/Mesopotamian episode.
    Anyway, Isn't it past your bedtime?
    http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/science/flood.html

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  • Re: Flood Stories from around the World
     Reply #6 - March 08, 2009, 03:10 PM

    Yes as I said I think the Black Sea is a good candidate for the origin of some stories. It's relatively recent and in the right area. At the time it would have made quite an impression. By the way, I used to have some brilliant links on the Messinian but they're in my other FF profile, which I don't use these days. I'll dig them out as it really is worth checking out.

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  • Re: Flood Stories from around the World
     Reply #7 - March 08, 2009, 03:11 PM

    Good. I'd like to see them.

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