Geert Wilders to be Prosecuted

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Reply #90 - February 18, 2009, 07:22 PM

I don't have any problem with Geert Wilders really, I just wasn't that impressed with his film. I don't think I'd vote for him either if I was Dutch. Anyway, whatever we think of him here, the UK Home Secretary's idiocy has had the predictable effect...

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Critics say the freedom to criticize Islam in Europe has been put in jeopardy after Dutch politician Geert Wilders was banned last week from entering Britain because of his attacks on Islam.

But while the controversial politician may have failed to enter the United Kingdom, the Dutch public has rallied around Wilders, and support for his party has exploded.

His party, the Party for Freedom, is now the second largest party in the Netherlands, based on recent polling. It's a stunning political development..

Wilders, like him or not, has a two fold mission. One is to sound the alarm bells about the spread of Islam in Europe, and the other is to show how far he thinks western governments have gone in appeasing radical Islam.

Hurd: Why do you think support for your party has surged?

Wilders: Common people in many cities in the Netherlands, in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and there are many smaller cities and villages, see that their country is changing, see that the influence of Islam and Islamization is growing, and they don't like that.

They are not xenophobes. They are not racist. They do not hate Muslims. But they feel that their own culture, based on Christianity, Judaism, and humanism is something to fight for.

Hurd: What does your not being allowed in the United Kingdom prove, if anything?

Wilders: It proves that the influence of Islam in Western European countries is huge.

Wilders still faces trial in the Netherlands for hate speech. But his political stock continues to grow.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/542878.aspx

From 3 seats in Parliament to the second largest party in the country! We have yet to see opinion polls in the UK itself, but I definitely predict a rise in support for the BNP, and to a lesser extent UKIP.

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Reply #91 - February 18, 2009, 08:54 PM

I think its all great - it finally puts on the spotlight. Not on Saudi Arabia, not on Iran, not on British Muslims, but on Islam.

It would have been better if this had happened prior to 9/11 and alarm bells started ringing during the Rushdie affair, but they didnt but its still better late than never.

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Reply #92 - February 19, 2009, 10:53 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/19/britain-bans-us-cleric

Jacqui Smith also bans the "God hates Fags" guy.

I get the impression that she has now decided to be an "equal opportunities" banner of free speech, to cover her tracks...
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Reply #93 - February 20, 2009, 12:09 PM

Quote from: hupla on February 19, 2009, 10:53 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/19/britain-bans-us-cleric

Jacqui Smith also bans the "God hates Fags" guy.

I get the impression that she has now decided to be an "equal opportunities" banner of free speech, to cover her tracks...

Yep, that women is as smart Dubya and as subtle as an Elephant.

She has never worked an honest day in her life and is a disgrace to Parliament.

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Reply #94 - February 20, 2009, 04:47 PM

Quote from: IsLame on February 12, 2009, 12:22 PM
Its vote catching, that's all.

If I was a party activist, I would be doing the same thing - I reckon you would get more votes (at the moment, but this soon change after more extremist action) by being pro-Muslims, than by supporting anti-Islamic rhetoric.

Morons did not learn from Ken Livingstone's fiasco. Some good comment I read was that he tried to go all of the 10% votes, at the expense of the 90%.

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Reply #95 - February 25, 2009, 11:17 AM

The same Lord Ahmed who threatened 10,000 protestors if Geert Wilders was allowed in has just been jailed for 3 months...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/south_yorkshire/7909510.stm

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A Labour peer who sent and received text messages minutes being he was involved in a fatal crash on the M1 has been jailed for 12 weeks.

Lord Ahmed was driving his Jaguar when he collided with a car stopped in the outside lane of the motorway on Christmas Day 2007.

The driver of the vehicle, Martyn Gombar, 28, was killed.

Lord Ahmed, 51, of Rotherham, was sentenced at Sheffield Crown Court. He had admitted driving dangerously.

Mr Gombar was Slovakian but was living in Leigh, Greater Manchester, at the time of his death.

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Reply #96 - March 02, 2009, 02:24 PM

"From 3 seats in Parliament to the second largest party in the country!"

Make that the largest party in the Netherlands (as least according to the polls). Even people who do no agree with Wilders feel for the guy for the way many Muslims and the policor establishment try to silence him.

Everytime "science" (which is falsely called so), "discovers" something new, evolutionists have to go back and change some parts of one of their theories. Amazingly enough, no scientific discovery has ever caused Biblical creationists to have to change their stand.
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Reply #97 - March 02, 2009, 03:02 PM

I wonder if that would translate into votes though?

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According to a recent opinion poll, if parliamentary elections were held today, the Freedom Party (PVV) headed by right-wing populist leader Geert Wilders would become the largest party in the Netherlands.

It would win 27 seats in the 150-seat parliament, as opposed to the nine it currently has. The Christian Democrats - the largest party in the governing coalition - would win only 26 seats.

It is not the first time for a populist opposition group to score high in opinion polls, although it is rare for them to come out as potentially the biggest parliamentary party.

In October 2007 a survey carried out like this week's one by pollster Maurice de Hond, predicted 27 for another right-wing populist group, Rita Verdonk's Proud of the Netherlands party. Such a result would have made hers the second largest party in parliament.

Ms Verdonk currently has one seat in parliament - her own - into which she was elected when still a member of the conservative liberal party VVD. Mr Wilders, too, is a VVD renegade.

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A couple of years earlier, Pim Fortuyn's LPF party scored 28 seats in a poll immediately after his assassination in May 2002. In the general elections of that month, the LPF gained 26 seats, which secured its participation in a short-lived coalition government.

In subsequent elections Pim Fortuyn's heirs eventually lost all of their seats and the party was disbanded.

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Mr Wilders' popularity has been rising ever since an Amsterdam appeals court decided to try him for anti-Muslim comments six weeks ago. He has since received even more exposure following Great Britain's refusal of permission to enter the country.

Mr Wilders had been invited to Britain to show his anti-Koran film Fitna to members of the House of Lords. Although he landed at London's Heathrow Airport, he was denied permission to enter the country and forced to return to the Netherlands.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6196336/Geert-Wilders-Freedom-Party-leads-polls

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Reply #98 - March 15, 2009, 07:37 PM

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THE HAGUE, 11/03/09 - The Supreme Court yesterday produced an important ruling in principle in favour of freedom of speech. The highest court of the Netherlands acquitted a man of insulting Muslims although he dubbed Islam a tumour.

The Supreme Court quashed a ruling by an appeal court in Den Bosch. As had a district court earlier, the appeal court did find the man guilty. Yesterday's acquittal can have consequences for all future court cases on insulting followers of a faith or ideology, including the notorious case against MP Geert Wilders.

According to the country's highest court, people expressing themselves offensively about a religion are not automatically guilty of insulting its followers, even if the followers feel insulted. "The statement must unmistakeably refer to a certain group of people who differentiate themselves from others by their religion," ruled the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court acquitted a man who in November 2004 stuck a poster in his window with the text: 'Stop the tumour that is called Islam'. While people may not insult believers, they can insult their religion, according to the Supreme Court. "The sole circumstance of offensive statements about a religion also insulting its followers is not sufficient to speak of insulting a group of people due to their religion."

The appeal court in Den Bosch had ruled that "in view of the bonds between Islam and its believers," as well as being unnecessarily offensive to Islam the poster was also offensive for those who practise Islam. But "the appeal court thereby gave too wide an interpretation of the expression 'a group of people according to their religion', as it occurs in Article 137c."

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/110309_1.htm

A good omen for Wilders.

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