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 Topic: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia

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  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #30 - March 22, 2009, 08:54 PM


    Quote Aliadiere
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    I have yet to see anything controversial on Ummah.com. I think the Muslims you get there are the sorts that do not really know much about Islam and think that Islam is a "peaceful, loving religion!


    Like these two ?

    Quote Sis Niqabi
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    Re: Muslims Ban Lesbians In Malaysia

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    asalamu alaikum

    not only should they make homosexuality illegal, they should start executions. Muslims have become too lax with Islam and their fear of Allah has gotten less and less. Maybe if Malaysia started have public executions so that the Muslim will get a reminder of what will happen if they fall into this vile act, they stop doing it.


    Quote Debater
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    I agree with you sis about executing homosexuals, they are abnormal freaks, an stigma to civilized people. We must protect our children and youth from their criminal activities.

     

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187966

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #31 - March 22, 2009, 09:19 PM

    I actually do not know Ummah.com very well and there are obviously going to be abhorrent people everywhere.  I will have to have a better look at Ummah.com

    My point, however, was that not all muslims are bad people and the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the UK are good, law abiding people.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #32 - March 22, 2009, 09:39 PM

    My point, however, was that not all muslims are bad people and the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the UK are good, law abiding people.

    Good, that's nothing new under the sun. Whether they are an "overwhelming" majority with a significant support for Shariah law is also open to discussion, but what I really objected to was this claim:

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    The majority of muslims do not use the Qur'an to condemn and/or persecute infidels, apostates and Jews. The Muslims who do are not tolerated!


    Quote from: aliadiere
    With all due respect, I think the School of African and Oriental Studies know which speakers to invite and which speakers would "spoil the impartiality of any such attempt" more than yourself.

    That's a little rich coming from a person who rants about how Wilders doesn't deserve to be in the UK because of his views, I'm afraid. Who are you to dictate who should be allowed into, or banned from, the UK for his/hew views?

    Also, instead of using politically correct and rosy language like "avoiding hatred between communities," you may prefer some integrity. Can you please answer how exactly inviting a notorious anti-Semite to the UK, who also happens to be the master propagandist of a terrorist organisation, would not lead to incitement of hatred between different groups and communities? Do you think the Jewish-British community will be happy to see Moussawi, who called the Jews "a lesion on the forehead of history," spouting Islamist propaganda anywhere in the UK?

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #33 - March 22, 2009, 10:08 PM

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    Also, instead of using politically correct and rosy language like "avoiding hatred between communities," you may prefer some integrity. Can you please answer how exactly inviting a notorious anti-Semite to the UK, who also happens to be the master propagandist of a terrorist organisation, would not lead to incitement of hatred between different groups and communities? Do you think the Jewish-British community will be happy to see Moussawi, who called the Jews "a lesion on the forehead of history," spouting Islamist propaganda anywhere in the UK?


    I don't think that the Jewish-British community would be happy about that, but he was not coming over to condemn Jews or to give any anti semitic talk, so I do not really think they could complain. In the same way that if Wilders was going to do a talk about something like law, I know the Muslims would not be happy for him to come over here, but I don't think they could complain either.

    The reason I was opposed to Wilders' visit was because he was coming to show an anti-muslim video and to garner support for his views. His views are just as abhorrent as Anti-Semitism. From what you have been saying, you would obviously be opposed to somebody coming to the UK to show an Anti-Semitic film and spread Anti-Semitic hatred, so why were you not opposed to Wilders doing the same thing?!



    And another point, you have one quote in your armory to prove that Mousawi is Anti-Semitic - Mousawi claims that what he actually said was "the Israeli occupation is a lesion on the forehead of history".1 Even your only proof of the abhorence of Mousawi is not concrete! I am not saying that that is definitely what he said. What I am saying is that you do not have any proof that he hates Jews. Also, the British government does not consider Hezbollah to be a terrorist organisation, it only considers its military wing to be a terrorist organisation.

    1. http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=99723

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #34 - March 22, 2009, 10:16 PM

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    Good, that's nothing new under the sun. Whether they are an "overwhelming" majority with a significant support for Shariah law is also open to discussion, but what I really objected to was this claim:

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    The majority of muslims do not use the Qur'an to condemn and/or persecute infidels, apostates and Jews. The Muslims who do are not tolerated!



    Extremism is not tolerated in the UK. You still have not shown me any proof that it is.

    And the majority of muslims in the UK want to overthrow the current regime to live in a Sharia Britain? I don't know where you get your information from, I suspect its from yourself.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #35 - March 23, 2009, 05:57 AM

    Quote from: aliadiere
    I don't think that the Jewish-British community would be happy about that, but he was not coming over to condemn Jews or to give any anti semitic talk, so I do not really think they could complain.

    You seem to have such intimate knowledge of the British-Jewish community! Where do you get your information from? I suspect from yourself.

     Cheesy Cheesy

    I guess being the master propagandist of a terrorist organisation that wants to wipe all the Jewish content of Israel from the map, i.e. exterminate all Jews in the Middle East, is not anti-Semitic enough. Also check this story, it's from the BCC, a notorious Islamophile channel. Moussawi defended the al-Manar TV which published material from the Elders of Zion, of which he was the foreign editor. What an impressive coincidence!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3581514.stm
    Quote from: aliadiere
    Extremism is not tolerated in the UK.

    Either you are very naive, or you are deliberately distorting information.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #36 - March 23, 2009, 11:26 AM

    Zaephon, we keep going round and round in circles. You think I'm full of shit. I know you're full of shit. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I am not going to continue with this debate - This is by no means me accepting defeat. I just can't be bothered to say the same things over and over again, because you are so Anti-Muslim (and not just Anti-Islam) you are never willing to admit if i have a valid point!

    You still failed to answer my earlier question:

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    How come you believe that banning Wilders from the UK for his ideas is a crime against free speech but banning Moussawi from the UK for his ideas is not a crime against free speech? How come you criticise Moussawi for his "venemous anti-semitic remarks" but you do not criticise Wilders for his "venemous anti-muslim remarks"?



    Quote
    Quote
    Quote from: aliadiere
    Extremism is not tolerated in the UK.


    Either you are very naive, or you are deliberately distorting information.


    You also still have not given me any evidence to say that extremism is tolerated in the UK.

    I suspect that you cannot answer these two questions.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #37 - March 23, 2009, 02:58 PM

    Quote from: alidiere
    I suspect that you cannot answer these two questions.


    1. I simply mentioned that the same dilemma applies to you. Moussawi is a notorious anti-Semite, and for you, him preaching at a university conference is perfectly acceptable. If I am a Muslim-hater, you are an anti-Semite. You are trying to impose your delusion that a political conference in a university is somehow equivalent to a technical, impartial issue. When I questioned this, all you retorted with was a childish comment about how the Oriental Studies is supposed to decide whether Moussawi is impartial or not. Perhaps the two "massively right-wing MPs" who invited Wilders into the UK also considered themselves impartial, who knows?

    2. I directed you to Ummah.com, which is a cesspool of hate. You have failed to refute this example of freely-preached Islamic radicalism in the UK, wherefore your argument has crumbled.

    Your quirky speculations about how I hate Muslims and Islam are totally worthless. I have very little respect for people who shelter behind a diluted version of Islamic victim mentality to suppress the critiques of Islam they find unpalatable. You can keep thinking that I'm full of shit. Far from discouraging me, this childish comment of yours shows that I'm on the right track.

    Quote from: aliadiere
    you are never willing to admit if i have a valid point!

    Laughable. Cheesy

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #38 - March 23, 2009, 03:25 PM

    Quote from: alidiere
    I suspect that you cannot answer these two questions.


    1. I simply mentioned that the same dilemma applies to you. Moussawi is a notorious anti-Semite, and for you, him preaching at a university conference is perfectly acceptable. If I am a Muslim-hater, you are an anti-Semite. You are trying to impose your delusion that a political conference in a university is somehow equivalent to a technical, impartial issue. When I questioned this, all you retorted with was a childish comment about how the Oriental Studies is supposed to decide whether Moussawi is impartial or not. Perhaps the two "massively right-wing MPs" who invited Wilders into the UK also considered themselves impartial, who knows?


    The same dilemma does not apply to me. I was against Wilders' visit for what he wanted to do. You were against Mousawi's visit for what you assume he believe. I am not an anti semite. I am definitely an anti zionist, but that is by no means the same thing. I believe that you have got more of a problem with Mousawi being a muslim than supposedly being anti semitic. Furthermore, it was not a political conference. It was a lecture on politics, to be given to students.
    By the way, you still have not answered that question  grin12

    Quote
    2. I directed you to Ummah.com, which is a cesspool of hate. You have failed to refute this example of freely-preached Islamic radicalism in the UK, wherefore your argument has crumbled.

    Your quirky speculations about how I hate Muslims and Islam are totally worthless. I have very little respect for people who shelter behind a diluted version of Islamic victim mentality to suppress the critiques of Islam they find unpalatable. You can keep thinking that I'm full of shit. Far from discouraging me, this childish comment of yours shows that I'm on the right track.


    Your only proof that extremism is tolerated is a few posts on a muslim forum, from people who are probably all mouth and no trousers. I think that Ummah.com can hardly be called a cesspool of hate as I have found the majority of posts to be very tame. Combat 18 and the British National Party have online forums as well. Does that mean that they are tolerated? I however, gave you solid evidence that extremism is not tolerated.

    I am not hiding behind a diluted version of Islam. However, I do think that the majority of Muslims (at least in the UK) do follow a diluted version of Islam and are not a threat to anybody. I will give you an example of when I told somebody that in Islam, a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's. First, she did not believe me. Then when I showed her the evidence, she said "that is not the Islam that I know".

    Even in Pakistan, they had a general election last year and had the chance to vote in the Islamists. The three leading parties, however, were all secular! Although a lot of Muslims may say it (maybe because they think they have to say it), I doubt they would want to live in a Sharia state.

    Face it Zaephon! The majority of Muslims are nice people who want to live a normal life.

    At the end of the day, we are never going to agree. I think you are full of shit and you think I am full of shit! I think we should call it a day.

    And the easiest way to get out of a debate is by calling the other person childish.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #39 - March 23, 2009, 04:59 PM

    Quote from: aliadiere
    At the end of the day, we are never going to agree. I think you are full of shit and you think I am full of shit! I think we should call it a day.

    Whatever. However, I was only pointing out some parts of your comments as childish. "You are never willing to admit that I have a valid point" is kindergarten stuff.

    Quote from: aliadiere
    Face it Zaephon! The majority of Muslims are nice people who want to live a normal life.

    ...who also cannot ferret out the radicals living in their midst. I do not oppose this statement, repeating this a thousand times over and over again will not change my mind about Moussawi, who is the master propagandist of a terrorist organisation, and who defended a reactionary Islamist channel which published material out of the Elders of Zion.

    Of course you do not think of yourself as an anti-Semite. Nobody does.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #40 - March 23, 2009, 05:10 PM

    Of course you do not think of yourself as an anti-Semite. Nobody does.


    How dare you call me an anti semite?! You do not know anything about me apart from my posts on this forum. Check all of my posts and see if there is anything anti-semitic in any of them!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #41 - March 23, 2009, 05:25 PM

    Of course you do not think of yourself as an anti-Semite. Nobody does.


    How dare you call me an anti semite?! You do not know anything about me apart from my posts on this forum. Check all of my posts and see if there is anything anti-semitic in any of them!


    Did I phrase it like that? I don't think so.  Roll Eyes

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #42 - March 23, 2009, 05:46 PM

    Of course you do not think of yourself as an anti-Semite. Nobody does.


    How dare you call me an anti semite?! You do not know anything about me apart from my posts on this forum. Check all of my posts and see if there is anything anti-semitic in any of them!


    Did I phrase it like that? I don't think so.  Roll Eyes


    You did phrase it like that. You are just as bad as any anti-semite because you are indiscriminately anti-muslim. Roll Eyes

    I doubt you really care about anti semitism anyway. I think you were just picking on Mousawi for being a Muslim rather than his alleged anti-semitism.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #43 - March 23, 2009, 05:49 PM

    Quote
    I doubt you really care about anti semitism anyway. I think you were just picking on Mousawi for being a Muslim rather than his alleged anti-semitism.


    What's that accusation based on? 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #44 - March 23, 2009, 06:02 PM

    Quote
    I doubt you really care about anti semitism anyway. I think you were just picking on Mousawi for being a Muslim rather than his alleged anti-semitism.


    What's that accusation based on? 

    An excessive imagination?

    I wouldn't give a damn if Moussawi was an atheist, Christian, Marxist, or whatever. He is the spokesperson of a terrorist organisation, and that's a very good reason to despise a man. In other words, justifying the killing of civilians is part of his daily business.

    Wilders, for all his anti-Islam rhetoric, does not actually advocate the killing of any human being, as far as I know.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #45 - March 23, 2009, 06:21 PM

    Quote
    I doubt you really care about anti semitism anyway. I think you were just picking on Mousawi for being a Muslim rather than his alleged anti-semitism.


    What's that accusation based on? 

    An excessive imagination?

    I wouldn't give a damn if Moussawi was an atheist, Christian, Marxist, or whatever. He is the spokesperson of a terrorist organisation, and that's a very good reason to despise a man. In other words, justifying the killing of civilians is part of his daily business.

    Wilders, for all his anti-Islam rhetoric, does not actually advocate the killing of any human being, as far as I know.


    Not even the British government considers Hezbollah to be a terrorist organisation, it only considers its military wing to be a terrorist organisation. Mousawi does not justify killing civilians.

    That accusation was based on the fact that you have shown yourself to be dogmatically anti muslim.

    I want to end this debate now because it has decended into personal insults (and before you say it zaephon, I am including myself in that statement!)

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #46 - March 23, 2009, 08:35 PM

    Not anti-muslim. Anti-islam is the right term i think.

    And believe me, its not hard to be be anti-islam. Most people who are non muslims are anti-islam. Because everyone who is not indoctrinated into believing the nonsense of islam sees how fucked up it is. Thanks and goodbye.

    btw, i would love to see a Debate between Wilders and Moussawi. I actually would pay to see this.  grin12

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Islamophobia & Infidelophobia
     Reply #47 - March 23, 2009, 08:36 PM

    Quote from: DigDeep
    btw, i would love to see a Debate between Wilders and Moussawi. I actually would pay to see this. 

    Absolutely.  whistling2

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
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