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  • Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     OP - April 30, 2009, 10:38 PM

    Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates  Headsman

    SHARJAH: In a session here on religious freedom, Muslim scholars from around the world yesterday debated how apostates should be treated according to Islamic law.

    More than 200 delegates representing 60 countries are discussing diverse issues in the light of Shariah at the ongoing International Islamic Fiqh Conference hosted by Sharjah ruler Sheikh Sultan bin Mohammed Al-Qassimi.

    The event at the Zahra Hall Auditorium at the University of Sharjah has been organized by the International Islamic Fiqh Academy (IIFA), an offshoot of the Jeddah-based Organization of the Islamic Conference.

    While several scholars demanded a review of the punishment for apostates in the light of the changing modern values, others refuted their argument saying the original Islamic texts call for harsh punishments.

    ?Religious freedom is a right that should be guaranteed to every human being. We have come here to present and discuss different viewpoints and we should do it in order to reach the right solution,? said Mahmoud Zaqzouq, Egypt?s minister of endowments.

    Some participants doubted the validity of texts quoted in support of the beheading of apostates. On the other hand, several others were adamant in their refusal to the demand for a lighter approach toward apostates in the name of freedom of religion.

    ?The view that Islamic scholars of the past had different views on how to punish apostates is incorrect. They only disagreed on how soon apostates should be executed; should it be done in three days, one week or few months. The waiting time is left to the discretion of the ruler,? said Muhammad Al-Nujaimi, a professor at the Higher Institute of Law in Riyadh.

    Referring to criticisms from international human rights organizations, he said: ?These groups will never stop attacking Islam even if we were to agree to all their demands. Their lack of sincerity is clear from their attitude to the atrocities committed by the Israeli government in occupied Palestinian territories. We will never allow others to dictate our religion to us.?

    Abdul Salam Al-Ebadi, secretary-general of the IIFA, said the topic of religious freedom was given priority in yesterday?s deliberations because several countries, particularly the ministries of Islamic Affairs and Foreign Affairs in OIC member countries, demanded a clarification on the correct stand toward apostates. He said a six-member committee of scholars has been entrusted with the task of studying the issue and submitting recommendations. OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu and IIFA Chairman Saleh Bin-Humaid, who is also chairman of Saudi Arabia?s Supreme Judicial Council, are participating in the forum.

    Groovy, innit?

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #1 - April 30, 2009, 10:48 PM

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    ?The view that Islamic scholars of the past had different views on how to punish apostates is incorrect. They only disagreed on how soon apostates should be executed; should it be done in three days, one week or few months. The waiting time is left to the discretion of the ruler,? said Muhammad Al-Nujaimi, a professor at the Higher Institute of Law in Riyadh.


    What an evil man.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #2 - April 30, 2009, 11:04 PM

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    ?The view that Islamic scholars of the past had different views on how to punish apostates is incorrect. They only disagreed on how soon apostates should be executed; should it be done in three days, one week or few months. The waiting time is left to the discretion of the ruler,? said Muhammad Al-Nujaimi, a professor at the Higher Institute of Law in Riyadh.


    What an evil man.


    Yes he is - but the dilemma for Muslims (particularly these wahabbis) is a very difficult one - they must either defend the "harsh" traditional view or admit that Islam needs 'changing' or 'updating'.

    Of course admitting it needs updating/changing/ reforming is tantamount to saying God made a mistake  - which of course equals apostacy! In which case they will have to execute themselves.
  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #3 - April 30, 2009, 11:10 PM

    I think if other muslims can find a way to soften their interpretation of the apostasy laws, then there is no excuse for these Wahabis.  They're just evil bastards.  There's nothing quite so creepy as an evil bastard who thinks he is doing God's work.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #4 - April 30, 2009, 11:12 PM

    nO APOSTACY LAWFS fuck thatg


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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #5 - April 30, 2009, 11:19 PM

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    ?The view that Islamic scholars of the past had different views on how to punish apostates is incorrect. They only disagreed on how soon apostates should be executed; should it be done in three days, one week or few months. The waiting time is left to the discretion of the ruler,? said Muhammad Al-Nujaimi, a professor at the Higher Institute of Law in Riyadh.


    What an evil man.


    Yes he is - but the dilemma for Muslims (particularly these wahabbis) is a very difficult one - they must either defend the "harsh" traditional view or admit that Islam needs 'changing' or 'updating'.

    Of course admitting it needs updating/changing/ reforming is tantamount to saying God made a mistake  - which of course equals apostacy! In which case they will have to execute themselves.

    That reminds me of Gilbert and Sullivan's "The Mikado".  Cheesy

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #6 - April 30, 2009, 11:48 PM

    Of course admitting it needs updating/changing/ reforming is tantamount to saying God made a mistake  - which of course equals apostacy! In which case they will have to execute themselves.

    Instead of updating/changing/reforming Islam... why don't they simply reject Islam?

    You either believe that it's the word of God (in which case you should aspire to follow it unconditionally)... or you don't believe that it's the word of God.

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #7 - April 30, 2009, 11:51 PM

    Actually an updated, Islamic version of 'The Mikado' has great potential for shitz n giggles n fatawah. parrot

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #8 - April 30, 2009, 11:53 PM

    Of course admitting it needs updating/changing/ reforming is tantamount to saying God made a mistake  - which of course equals apostacy! In which case they will have to execute themselves.

    Instead of updating/changing/reforming Islam... why don't they simply reject Islam?

    You either believe that it's the word of God (in which case you should aspire to follow it unconditionally)... or you don't believe that it's the word of God.


    They've got too much to lose I spose.  That man quoted above is a Professor of Islamic Law at the University of Riyadh.  What is he going to do for a living if he leaves Islam? 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #9 - April 30, 2009, 11:55 PM

    Get executed?

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #10 - May 01, 2009, 12:01 AM

    NOT YET

    FUCKING

    IRANIAN NATIONALIST PROJECT WILL WIN

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #11 - May 01, 2009, 12:45 PM

    I think if other muslims can find a way to soften their interpretation of the apostasy laws, then there is no excuse for these Wahabis.  They're just evil bastards.  There's nothing quite so creepy as an evil bastard who thinks he is doing God's work.


    Again true - but they have spent their whole lives denouncing people for 'changing' Islam - how are they going to justify 'changing' it themselves?

    I reckon that once the light of reason, education and free thought penetrates the Wahhabi countries they will find it easier to leave Islam than reform it.
  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #12 - May 01, 2009, 02:16 PM

    You're right.  Islam is so obviously a man-made construct, that lets just hope we dont even need the enlightenment stage, and they ditch it/ignore it like a petulant child instead. 

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #13 - May 01, 2009, 07:04 PM

    NOT YET

    FUCKING

    IRANIAN NATIONALIST PROJECT WILL WIN


    Can somebody please tell me what panoptic is talking about? and what is with Iranian thingy??? idiot2

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  • Re: Scholars hotly debate treatment of apostates
     Reply #14 - May 01, 2009, 07:15 PM

    I  love how these people never fail to bring up Israel and Palestine whenever they are confronted with a difficult challenge, or a real criticism about Islam or even the regimes' own actions.  'Yeah well... oh yeah? Well... PALESTINE! Our bruzzers are suffering because of al-Yahooooood!' 

    RIBS - I believe he posted those things while in a state of altered consciousness.

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