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 Topic: Reporting in from the land of oppression

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  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     OP - February 07, 2013, 03:35 PM

    Greetings from Turkey ,
    I was a former muslim and a believer but not strict and was not practicing. 3 years ago I decided to read the full Turkish translation of Quran. In my country and everywhere else, this book is worshipped , not read. And it is easy to deceive people because of that. Anyway , I started reading and it felt good. It made totally sense. But when I read it more than once and started thinking about the verses more throughly. I compared  them with each other. There was a socialist,forgiving,all knowing Allah and there was also Allah who allowed prisoners,mistresses deaths by beheading,not forgiving especially to Jews. I was confused.

    Then I found a novel called "The last apostle". It was about Roman Emperor Neron recruiting Paul about Christianity so the Jewish uprising and any other unrest would end. After reading this book,although fiction, I had finally realized what religion was. And Islam was a rip off from Christianity and Judaism. There are entire passages taken from old testament and torah. When you confront people about it , they will say "see how our religion matches with the previous sayings of god" . In fact that is the evidence of the scam. And also Quran was written and collected after Muhammed died. Just like Council of Nicea deciding which bible is valid or not.

    I feel helpless and weak as a human being , afraid of death. I need to believe in something that if i do good , I will be rewarded with heaven and i will not be afraid.That is the reason in all of us which leads to believe in a god and his forgiveness and reward. In ancient times , religion also was means to prevent murder,stealing etc. I get that.

    When I was finally free , I only told my wife about it. She understands. But I know my friends and family won't. Most of my friends are highly educated people but when it comes to religion , they become untolerant. The recent political influence is also very sunni islamic in Turkey since 2002.Alcohol is being banned slowly,wearing turban for women is encouraged, even payed for. Secular public faces are charged with terror and put in prison. Students, activists, left groups,union reps., officers and generals from the army, professors, journalists are put in prison and trialed with made up computer evidences with lots errors and phone conversations gained by tapping.

    EU and US are turning a blind eye and see the governing party as democrats because the capitalist economy system in Turkey fully serve their needs right now. But Islamists always give in to their islamic ignorance and savagery at the end. Turkey will become a land of ignorant and uneducated people, denouncing science and will fall inevitably like the islamic nations without oil.

    Sorry for the language and grammar.
  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #1 - February 07, 2013, 03:40 PM

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    Epicurus' Death Argument

          Epicurus' view that death is not to be feared has had an enormous impact on Western thought for over two thousand years, regardless of the strength of his other views.  He argued that man should rid himself of the irrational fear of death.

          Epicurus began his argument with his conclusion, "that death is nothing to us."  His basic argument is laid out as follows:

    1.  Death involves neither pleasure nor pain.

    2.  The only thing that is bad for us is pain.

    Thus, death is not bad for us.


    http://marklindner.info/writings/Epicurus.htm

     parrot bunny

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #2 - February 10, 2013, 02:02 AM

     parrot Welcome. Yeah I had that same argument with a Muslim about how Muhammad copied the Quran with bits and pieces of stories from Judaism and Christianity. But Muslims will tell you Muhammad came to 'correct' the wrong teachings thousands of years later of those religions. That's why they are similar, yet different because Muhammad had to 'fix' them. It reaks of a scam.  Anyways welcome. Isn't Turkey more or less a modern country though. Any country with a Muslim majority seems to have a lot of turmoil when it comes to free speech. But I think naturally people will move away from it the more they know. The alcohol ban is stupid I'm sorry. There is not another culture on the this planet that does not enjoy some form alcohol, from far East Asian countries, like Japan and China, to Russia, to Europe, to the USA.

    Did you know in the Middle Ages in Europe much of the water was too dirty to drink so peasants drank beer instead. Also did you know that Pork became popular in the US because wild boar was a very abundant meat when they were having trouble growing crops (I forgot what year that was, maybe during pilgrim times) My point is, dietary bans are dumb and only make sense to cultures that made it up. And there is a historic reason why they are common in other parts of the world.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #3 - February 10, 2013, 02:42 AM

    Alcoholic drinks are an important part of the food/beverage culture in most countries.

    I mean when a guest comes over for dinner it seems appropriate and classy to serve them wine.

    And plus if your at a business meeting and there is wine it just makes it awkward if you don't drink it.

    We were talking bout the different wine drinking habits of different cultures in my International Business class

     - Professor " When in a business meeting in some arab and African countries it is customary to say "astagfirullah" after having a glass of wine"

    That made me giggle.  Cheesy   

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #4 - February 10, 2013, 12:15 PM

    Crunchy, turkey is still better compared to the other Muslim countries but the situation is getting worse each day.I agree about the pork and dietary habits. Liberals in Turkey try to encourage islamists to be modern and wait for them to have  quran -islam renaissance. But they are dreaming. Islam will always be male reigning,science rejecting,barbaric religion.
  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #5 - February 10, 2013, 12:45 PM

    Hi, great to have you on the forum. Your intro is very interesting  Smiley

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #6 - February 10, 2013, 01:07 PM

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    Turkey try to encourage islamists to be modern and wait for them to have  quran -islam renaissance. But they are dreaming. Islam will always be male reigning,science rejecting,barbaric religion.


    I feel like Islam is actually getting more conservative as a reaction to less religiosity outside Islam. Probably was already like that at a steadier rate though =p

    Welcome!

    I find Turkey so interesting...The hijab ban made no sense to me even though I personally hate hijab. Now they're going the other way wacko

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #7 - February 10, 2013, 03:16 PM

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    I feel like Islam is actually getting more conservative as a reaction to less religiosity outside Islam. Probably was already like that at a steadier rate though =p


    Islam is going through an all out civil war right now.

    You had the (sunni vs shia) conflict like there always was but now you also have the (Moderates vs the Salafis vs the extreme jihadists like Boko Haram and Taliban)

    Oh and also the muslims vs ahmadis conflict as well.


    This is why I always laugh when muslims talk about a universal ummah. It doesn't even exist...




    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #8 - February 10, 2013, 06:04 PM

    As long as Islam view science and free thinking as a Western thing that is anti-Islam there is no hope. Dafuq when is a common sense a kufir thing!!!?? Hopefully Turkey's liberals can keep progressing.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Reporting in from the land of oppression
     Reply #9 - February 16, 2013, 11:28 PM

    Belated welcome TIOT,
    Sorry to hear about the cesent wave sweeping your country. Unfortunately it seems to be the way of the world right now. In fact I challenge anyone to name a muslim majority country that is currently becoming more liberal? Ok maybe Azerbaijan is flat lining. Anyway I digress. It's a real pity though, I used to think of Turkey almost as a secular country where freedom of expressing non religious opinions was acceptable. Seems like the thought police are busy through out the muslim nations. Poor Kamel Ataturk bet he would be (metaphorically) spinning in his grave right now.  Cry
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