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Reply #120 - December 03, 2009, 12:19 AM

I actually know an ex-muslim morrocan :-D Well I know is a big word.
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Reply #121 - December 03, 2009, 12:20 AM

have you told her about this site?

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Reply #122 - December 03, 2009, 12:22 AM

Are you actually telling me , a muslim, to do advertising for an ex-muslim website?
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Reply #123 - December 03, 2009, 12:26 AM

Well you could perform dawah on her while she's here

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Reply #124 - December 03, 2009, 11:34 AM

Quote from: kodoque on December 03, 2009, 12:03 AM
So you rely completely on logic and reason?

My favourite Star Trek character is Mr. Spock but I am not Vulcan myself. Just a simple Homo sapiens. And quite emotional at that. When I get busy with my wife reason and logic go straight out the window.

Quote from: kodoque on December 03, 2009, 12:03 AM
... I may point my age: 19 years old.

You are quite mature for your age, I thought you were a bit older.

Btw how did you expirience the 2005 French riots? Were you in France at that moment?
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Reply #125 - December 04, 2009, 04:58 PM

Well, I live in a small town, where there is frankly nothing to burn except cow. I met people who participated in the riots, and said that it was basically a bunch of fun, like a videogame in reality. That says a lot. Baal, trying to answer you, I stepped back and anaysed our conversation, I think our problem here is a methodologic one. You seems to imply stuff such as linearity of progress, and apply, imho inadequate, rules of logic, causality mainly, on such complex issues. I think you should read Norbert weiner works on cybernetics and edgar morin works on complex thinking.

Edit: Kenan, about the text you posted. Doing good for the sake of good or for God is not the point. The point is, what defines good and what defines evil.
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Reply #126 - December 06, 2009, 01:28 PM

Quote from: kodoque on December 04, 2009, 04:58 PM
The point is, what defines good and what defines evil.

I use reason and logic. And a few rules that reason and logic provide. Like The Golden Rule which is an ethical code that states that one has a right to just treatment and a responsibility to ensure justice for others.
Or the Platinum Rule: treat others the way they want to be treated.

Or would you rather have "good" and "evil" defined externally? Via a revelation? From a psychotic tyrant that condemns "his" people to eternal suffering for simply disbelieving in him (on the other hand he can forgive just about anything else - rape, murder, genocide ...)?

The main point is that there are no moral absolutes because moral absolutes are potentially evil.

This is why:

"... the lesson of today's terrorism is that if God exists, then everything, including blowing up thousands of innocent bystanders, is permitted - at least to those who claim to act directly on behalf of God, since, clearly, a direct link to God justifies the violation of any merely human constraints and considerations. In short, fundamentalists have become no different than the "godless" Stalinist Communists, to whom everything was permitted since they perceived themselves as direct instruments of their divinity, the Historical Necessity of Progress Toward Communism."
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Reply #127 - December 06, 2009, 03:53 PM

Quote from: kodoque on December 04, 2009, 04:58 PM
Well, I live in a small town, where there is frankly nothing to burn except cow. I met people who participated in the riots, and said that it was basically a bunch of fun, like a videogame in reality. That says a lot. Baal, trying to answer you, I stepped back and anaysed our conversation, I think our problem here is a methodologic one. You seems to imply stuff such as linearity of progress, and apply, imho inadequate, rules of logic, causality mainly, on such complex issues. I think you should read Norbert weiner works on cybernetics and edgar morin works on complex thinking.

Edit: Kenan, about the text you posted. Doing good for the sake of good or for God is not the point. The point is, what defines good and what defines evil.

Hi Kodoque. Linearity? Inadequate Rules of logic? I am sorry, but as a fellow computer scientist i am calling bullsh1t. Plz stop. Bullsh1t wastes time. Now while I am reading up on how to produce simple solutions to complex problems, find me a society that improved with the introduction of the koran. I want to discuss such societies.

In absence of success stories. The best defense for the koran is that, it is a complete system. You have to implement everything or nothing. The moment you implement everything, you get everything. Is that a position you take?

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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