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God tells it as it is!
OP - December 17, 2009, 06:00 PM

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Reply #1 - December 17, 2009, 11:08 PM

didnt know christianity said you could sleep with your wife as well as your slaves too (in exodus apparently)

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Reply #2 - December 17, 2009, 11:14 PM

YES I AGREE RIBS, SHE IS HOT

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Reply #3 - December 17, 2009, 11:30 PM

Quote from: IsLame on December 17, 2009, 11:08 PM
didnt know christianity said you could sleep with your wife as well as your slaves too (in exodus apparently)

It's in the O.T even though most Christians now say N.T. abrogates O.T. Although I do understand how it is since the N.T. actually states that the O.T. can still be referred to for moral teaching and guidance and Jesus in the gospels says also to a boy to keep all the laws of the Torah i.e the 613 laws. Xtianity is just such a contradictory mess.

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Reply #4 - December 17, 2009, 11:34 PM

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on December 17, 2009, 11:30 PM
It's in the O.T even though most Christians now say N.T. abrogates O.T. Although I do understand how it is since the N.T. actually states that the O.T. can still be referred to for moral teaching and guidance and Jesus in the gospels says also to a boy to keep all the laws of the Torah i.e the 613 laws. Xtianity is just such a contradictory mess.

They would say that wouldnt they - much like Quran-onlys, who ignore the hadith. Another commonlity exists though, both groups are happy to use these outmoded scripts when it suits though..

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Reply #5 - December 17, 2009, 11:39 PM

Quote from: IsLame on December 17, 2009, 11:34 PM
They would say that wouldnt they - much like Quran-onlys, who ignore the hadith. Another commonlity exists though, both groups are happy to use these outmoded scripts when it suits though..

No doubt Qur'an only ignore all those hadiths which show Muhammad in bad light but when its convenient for them they use the good ones. Much like Xtians say O.t is abrogated but then they use it to prove Jesus' divinity and that he was the messiah prophesised in the Old scripture. I spent 2 years studying this shit 4 A level luckily I was doing philosophy as well as part of course. One of my friends also started to doubt Xtianity after the 2 years of studying Luke's Gospel because he sniffed bullshit.

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Reply #6 - December 18, 2009, 10:30 AM

Quote from: IsLame on December 17, 2009, 11:34 PM
They would say that wouldnt they - much like Quran-onlys, who ignore the hadith. Another commonlity exists though, both groups are happy to use these outmoded scripts when it suits though..

Actually Qur'an-onlys have a point. There's a hadeeth reported in Saheeh Muslim which reports that the prophet said not to write down what he said and just rely on oral tradition, or something along these lines.

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Reply #7 - December 18, 2009, 10:43 AM

Yes, sadly I think so too - quran-onlies will be the muslims of the future .. it will delay the downfall of Islam no doubt, but will at least weaken it in doing so.

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Reply #8 - December 18, 2009, 11:24 AM

Quote from: Infidel on December 18, 2009, 10:30 AM
Actually Qur'an-onlys have a point. There's a hadeeth reported in Saheeh Muslim which reports that the prophet said not to write down what he said and just rely on oral tradition, or something along these lines.

I've tried to look for it, but I know the one you're talking about. From what I understand, Submitters rely on Quran 45:6 as well.

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Reply #9 - December 18, 2009, 01:27 PM

Quote from: kaiwai on December 18, 2009, 11:24 AM
I've tried to look for it, but I know the one you're talking about. From what I understand, Submitters rely on Quran 45:6 as well.

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Abu Sa'id Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should efface that and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me-and Hammam said: I think he also said:" deliberately" -he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire.

I read also about reports of one of the Rashidoon Khalifa (I think Omar) that he was particularly harsh on people who write or report hadeeth.

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Reply #10 - December 18, 2009, 01:52 PM

Quote from: Kafirist on December 17, 2009, 11:14 PM
YES I AGREE RIBS, SHE IS HOT

Did I say that?

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Reply #11 - December 18, 2009, 04:15 PM

Quote from: IsLame on December 18, 2009, 10:43 AM
Yes, sadly I think so too - quran-onlies will be the muslims of the future .. it will delay the downfall of Islam no doubt, but will at least weaken it in doing so.

mmm..interesting point. One hadith slows down the downfall of Islam, quite spectacular in it sown right.

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Reply #12 - December 19, 2009, 03:47 AM

Quote from: Infidel on December 18, 2009, 01:27 PM
I read also about reports of one of the Rashidoon Khalifa (I think Omar) that he was particularly harsh on people who write or report hadeeth.

Oh, and it is from Sahih Muslim. I'm going to do a video on it

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