Berber, I hear what you're saying. I am just wondering what they hope to achieve by posting here. Because despite the fact that people like arthur are polite, he has never responded to a single substantial and very respectfully articulated point that has been made to him about the methodologies of his organisation.
The longer it goes on, the more sinister and nasty they become. When they are not reading statements wearing face coverings like sinister terrorists, they are marching in a part of the country that has absolutely no history of Islamic extremism, Stoke on Trent, but which has a recent history of hardcore BNP activity focussed on the tiny Muslim community there. That it ended with the EDL fighting amongst themselves just makes it seem even more depraved.
Time after time after time, arthur has been asked what he hopes to achieve by acting in provocative ways in places that have nothing to do with Islamic extremism. His organisation has been, and will be in the process of being infiltrated by the far-right - he has been tyold that numerous times her. Not once has he responded with any credibility.
More and more it seems that the EDL are full of thugs who have a simple agenda of baiting Muslims in every area they decide to hold a protest in, regardless of what they have to do with Anjum Chaudhry style Islamic extremism - overwhelmingly nothing.
Now I happen to believe that this response has been fomented by years and years of open, defiant and irresponsible public protest and rhetoric by Islamic extremists and dawah merchants. That culminated in the universal rage and disgusted when returning soldiers were abused by Choudary and his chums. But we can acknowledge this and the failures of the Left and others in society to oppose this, without giving comfort to the EDL, who quite blatantly, right now, are a menace. I just want to know what arthur hopes to achieve by posting here.
(Maryam Namazie and others are doing more to counter the campaigns to incorporate sharia codes into society than the EDL have ever done - they can only talk and declaim unrealistically about such things - opposing them takes careful systematic activism, not scattergun shouting and screaming by a bunch of balaclava wearing thugs with a persecution complex)
Billy, I post here in the hope of learning something and I have, I post here because it gives me a different slant on things.
Let's take a look at EDL, we are not at all politically sophisticated and articulate. Most of us have never been involved in any type of campaign and that's meant that we have made mistakes, we have not controlled demos enough, for example.
Many of us live in places where we would be unsafe if we showed our faces and our families would, might be attacked. Fear that our families might be attacked is not misplaced considering the enemy.
One of my daughters works in a school and one day mentioned the EDL and was told she would be sacked if she mentioned them again, we have other members who cover up because of this. So it is not always easy to be EDL.
What's the aim of the EDL, well the first aim is to draw attention to the problems and spark debate, it is to show the enemy that there is not one single street in Britain where we won't demonstrate, for us there are no, no go areas.
Where we go after that is being debated, I would like us to protest out side the Saudi embassy and there are discussions about other targets that I can't talk about.
You have to understand that there are things I can't talk about because of people like Choudary and the UAF.
The arrest of our whole leadership team after the BMC demand that the government do something about us only shows that the government, in the run up to an election, wants muslim votes.
It seems to me that this is a worrying development and shows how the government is determined to squash dissent. Now we have to show they cannot stop us.
Arthur.
Topic: The proof of Labours police state.