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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #90 - June 28, 2010, 09:02 AM

    Yeah but marriage is neither sufficient nor necessary for commitment.

    You mentioned married old couples being all happy together since ages ago.
    I have met married old couples hating each other to death.
    And I have met unmarried old couples being all happy together since ages ago.

    So: not sufficient. Nor necessary.


    +1

    And tits still looking fantastic.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #91 - June 28, 2010, 09:03 AM

    The biggest purpose of marriage now is to enforce economic dependency.

    For example if a richer person marries a poorer person and then later the marriage fails, in many legislations the rich person will be forced to go on supporting the poor person.

    But that is pretty squalid and can (and does) lead to serious problems, like:
    - Poor people lying about their feelings in order to exploit lonely rich ones
    - Rich people being way too cautious about their feelings of love when there is a great economic disparity involved

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #92 - June 28, 2010, 09:12 AM

    Yeah but marriage is neither sufficient nor necessary for commitment.

    Yes, but I though you were denigrating two people staying exclusive to each other i.e. marriage in your original post.  Of course I dont think the conventions surrounding the oath are necessary, I see that as just a celebration of the contract.

    Now whether its celebrated or not, that obviously irrelevent but I think all the pomp & ceremony helps as a bridge to the next stage.

    It helps them move forward and make further commitments (e.g. kids) with the knowledge that they can formally tell each other, and prepared to tell everybody else, that they intend to remain 100% committed to each other.

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #93 - June 28, 2010, 09:14 AM

    The biggest purpose of marriage now is to enforce economic dependency.

    I think its about kids

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #94 - June 28, 2010, 09:27 AM

    I think its about kids

    That would be child support, which is (at least here) not dependent on marriage, but on recognizing the kid as your own with maternity/paternity. And that is all good and fair.

    I was talking about the concept of alimony, instead.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #95 - July 02, 2010, 03:07 AM

    So I said earlier I was worried that my parents would be disappointed if I married a non-Iraqi girl.

    The subject was brought up today. My dad asked jokingly when I was gonna get married and I told him it won't be until at least 5 years from now. Then he and my mum started asking what kinda girl I wanna marry. At this point my father asked a very interesting question "would you marry a girl who only prays? I mean a very liberal girl who doesn't adhere to Islam other than praying and fasting. Would you? " He asked this in a very meek unassuming manner. It revealed to me that he is now fully aware of all aspect of my apostasy. He's trying to accept it or at least expect it. Just like the other day he told me he's sure that I will start drinking when I move out next September.

    I felt a little guilty about it and told him that *on paper* I would marry such a girl as long as I know her well enough and know her political and moral positions. I told him that among the many things I look for in a potential partner is liberalism and open-mindedness. That she must be fully aware of my apostasy and that she agrees to raise our kids in a non-religious upbringing. He was OK with it. I'm sure deep inside he was a little disappointed but not enough to show it.
    Then I asked him if she must be Iraqi. He said that it's the ideal scenario but far from a condition. So I asked him if that meant he wouldn't allow me to marry a British girl and he was like "I will respect your decision and welcome her to the family but I'm not gonna lie to you, I won't like it".  He even said that he prefers a Christian Iraqi daughter-in-law to a Western Muslim convert which really surprised me. He said he wants to be able to communicate with her fluently !

    Anyway, I think it's good that we had this talk. Now I know for sure that not only my parents fully understand my atheism but also they understand what that entails in terms of lifestyle and family dynamics.
    This is a big development. When I joined this forum 7 months ago, I wrote in my intro thread the following:
    >> "At first I got the sense that they thought that it was just a "phase" that I was going though in order to justify to myself having pre-marital sex. In other words they though it was simply a "youth revolt" and they didn't take me seriously." <<
    Now I know for sure   Wink
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #96 - July 02, 2010, 03:11 AM

    Wow, Iraqi that's so cool!

    Good on you Afro

    You're pretty much free to be, since it's out in the open now.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #97 - July 02, 2010, 03:13 AM

    So I said earlier I was worried that my parents would be disappointed if I married a non-Iraqi girl.

    The subject was brought up today. My dad asked jokingly when I was gonna get married and I told him it won't be until at least 5 years from now. Then he and my mum started asking what kinda girl I wanna marry. At this point my father asked a very interesting question "would you marry a girl who only prays? I mean a very liberal girl who doesn't adhere to Islam other than praying and fasting. Would you? " He asked this in a very meek unassuming manner. It revealed to me that he is now fully aware of all aspect of my apostasy. He's trying to accept it or at least expect it. Just like the other day he told me he's sure that I will start drinking when I move out next September.

    I felt a little guilty about it and told him that *on paper* I would marry such a girl as long as I know her well enough and know her political and moral positions. I told him that among the many things I look for in a potential partner is liberalism and open-mindedness. That she must be fully aware of my apostasy and that she agrees to raise our kids in a non-religious upbringing. He was OK with it. I'm sure deep inside he was a little disappointed but not enough to show it.
    Then I asked him if she must be Iraqi. He said that it's the ideal scenario but far from a condition. So I asked him if that meant he wouldn't allow me to marry a British girl and he was like "I will respect your decision and welcome her to the family but I'm not gonna lie to you, I won't like it".  He even said that he prefers a Christian Iraqi daughter-in-law to a Western Muslim convert which really surprised me. He said he wants to be able to communicate with her fluently !

    Anyway, I think it's good that we had this talk. Now I know for sure that not only my parents fully understand my atheism but also they understand what that entails in terms of lifestyle and family dynamics.
    This is a big development. When I joined this forum 7 months ago, I wrote in my intro thread the following:
    >> "At first I got the sense that they thought that it was just a "phase" that I was going though in order to justify to myself having pre-marital sex. In other words they though it was simply a "youth revolt" and they didn't take me seriously." <<
    Now I know for sure   Wink


    Bring home Sophie Dee.

    fuck you
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #98 - July 02, 2010, 03:21 AM

    My parents want to take me to India and get me married in December but I dont know what i'm gonna do, i'm really worried.  I dont want to marry an Indian guy.  I like guys who are liberal and westernized and that won;t be happening if I marry an Indian guy.  I dont like religious guys at all.  I hoping to get a full time job and by December i'll have enough money saved up to buy a car and my own place in Chicago where I can meet open-minded people.  Until then...i'm a little screwed.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #99 - July 02, 2010, 03:25 AM

    Check it, I'll knock you up then you'll be considered damaged goods. I'll need a pre-impregnation contract releasing me from all responsibility for care of the child, but I'll totally drive to Chicago and knock you up (provided you pay for gas and tolls, made that trip several times before, gets kind pricey).

    fuck you
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #100 - July 02, 2010, 03:31 AM

    @Q-man, as romantic as that sounds...I must decline that offer.
    That would make my situation worse and considering I dont have a job and not much money saved up, how will I support the kid? 
    Even If I did take the offer, I would never pay for gas and toll for you. Cheap Ass.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #101 - July 02, 2010, 03:38 AM

    Wow, Iraqi that's so cool!

    Good on you Afro

    You're pretty much free to be, since it's out in the open now.

    Yeah now I only have to tell them about my alcohol and pork consumption and I'm good to go. My father already suspects the former and I think he will accept it. Most of his friends are/were drinkers and his dad (my granddad) used to take him to the bar when he was 6/7  grin12 . But I honestly don't think I will ever tell them that I eat pork. They will be pissed off. It won't do any good. I guess I'll just hide it from them forever.



    Bring home Sophie Dee.

    Holly Molly. Just looked her up. Not exactly my kinda girl but wow...I'm speechless.



    My parents want to take me to India and get me married in December but I dont know what i'm gonna do, i'm really worried.  I dont want to marry an Indian guy.  I like guys who are liberal and westernized and that won;t be happening if I marry an Indian guy.  I dont like religious guys at all.  I hoping to get a full time job and by December i'll have enough money saved up to buy a car and my own place in Chicago where I can meet open-minded people.  Until then...i'm a little screwed.

    Shit this must be hard. Do you think they will be hurt if you refused?

  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #102 - July 02, 2010, 03:40 AM

    @Q-man, as romantic as that sounds...I must decline that offer.


    Even if it wasn't me? Say it was the kid in my avatar-- you can't say no to that cool bad-ass.

    Quote
    That would make my situation worse and considering I dont have a job and not much money saved up, how will I support the kid?  


    TANF, WIC, Food Stamps, public housing, and whatever additional assistance the State of Illinois offers. Plus you can supplement your income under the table by selling drugs-- I'll put you in touch with some people.

    Quote
    Even If I did take the offer, I would never pay for gas and toll for you. Cheap Ass.


    Hey baby, the good shit don't come free-- you gotta pay for it.

    fuck you
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #103 - July 02, 2010, 03:48 AM

    Shit this must be hard. Do you think they will be hurt if you refused?


    Ofcourse they will be hurt but I will be misrable if i married a traditional, indian guy.  He just wouldnt understand me.  I dont give a damn if he'll make 50 grand a year or he'll be able to support me, blah blah blah.  I'm not gonna sacrafice my happiness so my parents feel contempt about having their only daughter married off.  My mom isnt talking to me right now, dont care much right now.  I need a full-time job so I can move out and be free.  I hate being an Indian girl, it's not fair.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #104 - July 02, 2010, 03:52 AM

    @Q.
    please get laid.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #105 - July 02, 2010, 04:04 AM

    Got laid last week, expect to get laid on Saturday as well. How you makin out?

    fuck you
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #106 - July 02, 2010, 04:12 AM

    I actually got laid yesterday night, it's not so fun in a back of a car anymore.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #107 - July 02, 2010, 04:13 AM

    Positions are definitely limited in a car.

    fuck you
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #108 - July 03, 2010, 01:54 PM

    Saathiya, are you a US citizen? Your first step should definitely be financial independance. You'll have a lot more power over your choices then. How is that plan coming along? Can you see yourself getting a job soon and moving out?

  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #109 - July 03, 2010, 02:49 PM

    What assistance could the State offer you?
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #110 - July 04, 2010, 05:04 AM

    Saathiya, are you a US citizen? Your first step should definitely be financial independance. You'll have a lot more power over your choices then. How is that plan coming along? Can you see yourself getting a job soon and moving out?


    Yes, i'm a US citizen.  That's just the problem, I cant get a full-time job.  I would be happy making 10 bucks an hour and working 50 hours a week.  Right now, I cant see myself anywhere but stuck at home.  I dont know what I'll do if I'm forced to go to India to get married.  I dont know what the state has to offer me.  I havent had a full-time job in 2 years. 

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #111 - July 04, 2010, 06:30 AM

    Yes, i'm a US citizen.  That's just the problem, I cant get a full-time job.  I would be happy making 10 bucks an hour and working 50 hours a week.  Right now, I cant see myself anywhere but stuck at home.  I dont know what I'll do if I'm forced to go to India to get married.  I dont know what the state has to offer me.  I havent had a full-time job in 2 years. 



    I think Q-Man posted some links earlier for another user in a similar predicament. There are organizations out there that could maybe help you if you really feel that your family will force you to leave the country. You have the law on your side though.

    Are there any friends that you can move in with temporarily and work in a part time job until something better comes along?

  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #112 - July 04, 2010, 09:56 AM

    Wow, Iraqi that's so cool!

    Good on you Afro

    You're pretty much free to be, since it's out in the open now.


    Yes good on you IA that's nice to read Afro
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #113 - July 07, 2010, 03:13 AM

    I take it back. Marriage means nothing, im sure there are some things such as financial stability or something but it means nothing for a relationship.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #114 - July 07, 2010, 05:50 AM

    Yes, i'm a US citizen.  That's just the problem, I cant get a full-time job.  I would be happy making 10 bucks an hour and working 50 hours a week.  Right now, I cant see myself anywhere but stuck at home.  I dont know what I'll do if I'm forced to go to India to get married.  I dont know what the state has to offer me.  I havent had a full-time job in 2 years. 

     I was reading an article on this earlier.  If you are going to school and worked part time that is considered full time by most employers.  To get hired now in the us requires setting out A LOT of resumes.  While you ate filling out resumes ( a full time job in itself) volunteer at a local bin profit organization or even a local store as long ad you make it clear you do not desire to be paid.   Volunteering time will give you " work experience" as well as filling holes in your resume.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #115 - July 07, 2010, 05:59 AM

    marriage is the leading cause of divorce
    I don't recommend it to anyone
    my wife is my wife because we live together
    but we aren't married
    unfortunately we ARE monogamous (her hang up)
    though I don't THINK I'd actively take advantage of an open relationship anyhow
    I'm content, for now anyhow
    we have two girls with another on the way

    people have the foolish tendency to think
    that people should become "better" after marriage
    wishful thinking
    they also tend to think it's some sacred union between to lovers
    it's not
    it's a binding contract between two families
    people spend an awful lot of money on weddings
    money most usually can't afford
    the wedding itself is a necessary evil that those invited suffer
    while they wait for the party afterward
    if you want a party, just throw a freakin party

    do some homework on marriage
    the wedding band was originally on the thumb
    it has since traveled across the fingers to it's current location, the "ring" finger
    the kiss "you may now kiss the bride" is a left over from a bygone age
    when the bound couple were WATCHED to ensure consummation

    you don't NEED marriage to be in a loving relationship
    you just need a lover who loves YOU
    and a... place to share that love
    with an agreement that it's monogamous or open

    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
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