I already said to me it's clear from the verses of the Quran alone that there was a truce between the Muslims and Pagan Arabs. It is also clear from the verses surrounding verse 5 that Muslims were only ordered to fight the polytheists who broke the truce.
So abuyunus, even if there was a truce, what sort of truce?
This is what the Quran has to say about pagan Arabs.
Quran says that pagan Arabs are unclean.
Quran 9:28, "O ye who believe:
Truly the pagans are unclean, so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque,...".
Pagan Arabs, as "unbelievers" are the worst of animals.
Surely
the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, (8:55)
Pagan Arabs are not to be befriended by Muslims
Qur'an (3:28) - "
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah..."
Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe!
do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."
Pagan Arabs have no right to marry Muslims.
Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.
AbuYunus 2, if someone today used such hate speech against you as a Muslim & restricted your rights like this, would you keep a truce with them?
If they said that because you're a Muslim, you're "unclean" , you're the "worst of animals", you're not fit to be a friend of a Muslim, you have no right to marry any non Muslim in an interfaith marriage because while you're the vilest of animals(Quran 8:55),they are the best of peoples (Quran 3:111) would you want to enter & remain in a truce with such folks?
From hadiths & sira, we learn that Muhammad & Muslims smashed every polytheistic idol & threatened to kill any pagan who came out to protect his idols, he also killed Jewish tribes.
Even if we ignore hadiths, from Quran itself we read that Muhammad is using hate speech against unbelievers, calling them the vilest of animals, unclean & not to be let near mosques, that they have no right to have interfaith marriage with Muslims, that they have to pay the jizya taxes which Muslims don't.
Would you keep truces with people wh used rampant hate speech like this against you, or would you want to break truces to gain equal rights & dignity?
You guys obviously disagree, but I feel the Quran makes it quite clear that fighting is only permitted in self defence. The Quran also makes it quite clear that there should be no sects of Islam, no sunni no shia no nothing. Just submitters to God's will.
Re read Quran 9:5, it says Muslims can stop fighting when idolators, take to prayer, render the alms levy ie zakat,
not when idolators have ceased fighting.
So fighting continues till idolators accept Islam. This isn't self defence,
its forced conversion.
I think you accept that rape under any circumstances is unacceptable & no matter how provocatively a woman was dressed or behaving, it doesn't justify rape. Exactly like that, forced conversion under any circumstances is unacceptable. Thats what Quran 9:5 preaches.
Yes, there're supposed to be no Shia Sunni in Islam, but that still doesn't solve the problem for the overwhelming majority of the world's inhabitants have no wish to submit to Islam.
Topic: Warmongering Islam