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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #30 - April 02, 2010, 07:22 PM

    I think another factor is the widespread almost-sexual desire that many women have about being "owned" by some "dark", mysterious, exotic, manly (i.e. chauvinist), passionate (i.e. unable to control his outbursts), possessive man who can treat them in a firm but just way (at least initially) and make them feel special (at least initially).

    So who's the best match for all that?
    Guys like the stereotypical Sicilian gangster, or the stereotypical middle-eastern Muslim ^_^


    Do you know what's fascinating to me?  Of all of the white male converts I knew over the years, only one was married to a white woman who was not from an Eastern European Muslim background (and of those, I knew of three). By and large, these self-hating men married women from Eastern backgrounds.  Possibly because as privileged, straight white men they had a fantasy of owning the exotic, but more likely than not I think that Muslim communities - and perhaps this is a North American thing only - have a way of inculcating hatred of whiteness into white Muslims (while simultaneously fetishizing it).  And there is this thing about having children with these spouses - male or females - and then insisting, to the point of ridiculousness, that one's children are not at all white.

    This seems to especially be the case in the Hamza Yusuf type circles as well as others... a lot of hatred & fascination with whiteness and there was many a time when I listened to people -some of them white - rail on at others present about how being white is never, ever right - as if one could change it!  I once said, 'But if allah made a person this way, then how can it be wrong?' and the person was temporarily silenced before once again continuing his tirade against whiteness. I guess 'surrender to allah's will and accepting his creation and qadr' ended, for these people, where there isn't enough melanin in the skin.  This in NO WAY negates white privilege, etc.  I'm just saying a lot of these white Muslims - esp the men in my experiences - have a lot of hatred towards themselves and their white skin and they demonstrate it by making sure to NOT marry white people - so their children are not 'white.'  

    Another thing I have heard a few (just a few) white Muslim men say about why they don't marry white women is that white women have not been trained up enough by our society to be properly submissive and to be good housewives, whereas women from traditionally Muslim families have been (and you also hear this sort of self-hating shit from some Black brothers as to why they prefer a wife from overseas vs a Black woman).  

    I know a few women who converted after marriage - most of my friends were actually converts and most of them converted while single and some remain thus.  Most of them had the  usual 'I wanted to understand him more so I started reading the quran and blah blah allah is one and that really hit home with me' story.  Believe it or not, I know more than a few women over the years whose husbands actively tried to discourage them from reading quran or learning more about Islam.  They had to do it on their own and without his knowledge or encouragement or support.  So the man was already married to them - and one doesn't have to be Muslim to be into a sub/dom relationship.  I know one woman who converted while in a sub/dom relationship -- with a Buddhist.  It was about as strange as you think it would be.  

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #31 - April 02, 2010, 07:23 PM

    I think it may have something to do with the marketing strategy.

    "Come be a Muslim woman where you can disown your seedy past and instantly let the world know that you are now a dignified person by putting a rag on your head."

     Muslimah


    I never had a problem with my 'seedy' past. I would not even use the word 'seedy' to describe it.  But then again, I was a Muslim when I did those things (although I was a convert, my case is unusual, as I converted when I was a child, so all of my teenage / young adult adventures were done with the belief in my heart that la illaha il allah muhammadur rasul allah). 

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #32 - April 02, 2010, 07:27 PM

    Yeah it is what we did but we inherited Islam via culture. People like miriam have gone out of their way to learn about Islam, which is why I find it to be peculiar.


    Why peculiar? Islam is in the news.  Islam is responsible for the way things have changed since 9/11.  Islam is on the bookshelves, on magazine covers.  It's natural that people would be curious to learn about it.  However, this is just speaking from my personal recent history as someone active in dawahganda -- the #s of people -women or otherwise - seeking to learn about Islam (or to learn about it from Muslims) has decreased a LOT since... 2001.  I mean, people are curious about it, but where I was at (major American cities), we did not see the #s of converts that we saw in the 1990s and the retention rate (as Muslims or as regular congregation goers - it is hard to say) has decreased a LOT vs. what it was in the 90s.  All that blather about people converting in record #s after 9/11 was just that - blather.  People converted, yes, but many of them stayed in the community for a month, a few months, a few yrs at best.  Not all of them - some of them are still Muslims of course - but many, maybe even most of them.  And that phenomena died off really quickly. 

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #33 - April 02, 2010, 07:30 PM

    i did notice that. Alot of times when I use to watch the conversion videos on youtube they all seem to follow that formula.


    they were all going down a "rough" path and if it wasn't for Islam they would all be dead or have some STD.
    I have went down plenty of rough paths in my life and I am neither dead nor do I have a STD.



    Islam, like Christianity, encourages these types of testimonies from women.  It doesn't mean that they're true and I don't think it represents the majority of female converts.  Muslims love this "saved the damsel in distress" narrative as much as the Christians.  They might talk about how they were on a "rough path" and then in real life, she had like, sex with two guys who didn't love her back or dumped her something like that.  Which is sad but not the hard life hooker testimony that it's constructed to be.

    However, I suppose it is a known factor that after going through some particularly distressing time, psychologically or emotionally or otherwise, many people do automatically reach out for religion, so it's not surprising that some women - and men - would talk about finding and converting to Islam after they were engaged in things they weren't particularly proud of or even had a hard time dealing with emotionally. 

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #34 - April 02, 2010, 07:45 PM

    I never had a problem with my 'seedy' past. I would not even use the word 'seedy' to describe it.  But then again, I was a Muslim when I did those things (although I was a convert, my case is unusual, as I converted when I was a child, so all of my teenage / young adult adventures were done with the belief in my heart that la illaha il allah muhammadur rasul allah). 


    Maybe it's some kinda hindsight with shit coloured glasses. Most converts I spoke too talk about how lost and imoral they used to be. But maybe they are trying to embelish the virtues their choice.

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #35 - April 02, 2010, 07:45 PM

    why woman convert... great question btw...
    there's something that islam or any organized religion offers people that might not be present in their lives.. a unity of some sort.. like belonging to a strong clique or gang.. automatically gaining over 1 billion brothers and sisters.. and a good looking guy never hurts...
    coming together every week to chant the same words laugh at the same jokes, pray to the same god.. striving for the same mission regardless whether it's humane..

    Interesting.. I always put it down to gaining the right to own their very own guardian angel.  Something I often here religious women clutching at when in times of a crisis, ad less commonly in men.  

    It gives them divine authority to feel comforted by the fact that something is looking out for them.

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #36 - April 03, 2010, 03:44 AM

    It's exotic to non-Muslims I think, the same with Buddhism (The Netherlands has an estimated 250,000 Buddhists or people who feel strongly attracted by this religion, largely white Dutch).

    I'd assume a large majority of Muslim converts are women who marry Muslim men.

    I really don't want to cause offense to any people who converted, but I tend to think converts seem to be the type of people who were lost, disillusioned or needed some sort of spiritual guidance to begin with. You look at converts who become extreme despite growing up very liberally and you'd think these people were lost and vulnerable / impressionable to Muslims who stamped their ideology on that person.

    There's the whole "Islam is peace" crap too.
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #37 - April 03, 2010, 04:00 AM

    It's exotic to non-Muslims I think, the same with Buddhism (The Netherlands has an estimated 250,000 Buddhists or people who feel strongly attracted by this religion, largely white Dutch).

    I'd assume a large majority of Muslim converts are women who marry Muslim men.

    I really don't want to cause offense to any people who converted, but I tend to think converts seem to be the type of people who were lost, disillusioned or needed some sort of spiritual guidance to begin with. You look at converts who become extreme despite growing up very liberally and you'd think these people were lost and vulnerable / impressionable to Muslims who stamped their ideology on that person.

    There's the whole "Islam is peace" crap too.


    No worries friend Smiley I was a white convert and what you said was pretty accurate. The two videos below are female converts. You can tell they have low self esteem.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5g_hMZ7Gtk&feature=related


    http://www.youtube.com/user/Anotherexchristian#p/u/10/tLr9lsMc930

    And not to sound like a dick, but why is that many female converts to Islam have that dead zombie look in their eyes? They have that brainwashed look in their eyes, its hard to explain. I'm not saying all of them, but I noticed it in many.

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #38 - April 03, 2010, 05:12 PM

    Are there any real statistics to back up any claims of women making up a large number of converts?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #39 - April 03, 2010, 06:05 PM

    Quote from: Unechance
    I'd assume a large majority of Muslim converts are women who marry Muslim men.

    I really don't want to cause offense to any people who converted, but I tend to think converts seem to be the type of people who were lost, disillusioned or needed some sort of spiritual guidance to begin with. You look at converts who become extreme despite growing up very liberally and you'd think these people were lost and vulnerable / impressionable to Muslims who stamped their ideology on that person.


    A lot of what you say is true about me and my time as a Muslim, except I had already converted by the time I met my husband and even though I followed the usual path of a white convert i.e. liberal upbringing, need for structure I was never attracted to the radical strain of Islam, even when I was attending classes at East London Mosque twice a week.  Guess it's 'cause I'm product of my liberal hippie upbrining, no matter how much I wanted to deny it for awhile.

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #40 - April 03, 2010, 06:09 PM

    Quote from: Cool Canadian

    And not to sound like a dick, but why is that many female converts to Islam have that dead zombie look in their eyes? They have that brainwashed look in their eyes, its hard to explain. I'm not saying all of them, but I noticed it in many.



    It's 'cause of this guy!



    YOU WILL CONVERT TO ISLAM!!!  ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE!!!

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #41 - April 03, 2010, 08:24 PM

    LOL.

    Its Zakir the dawah giving frog!



    But can anybody explain why they have that look in their eyes? I swear, I see it with so many female converts.

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    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #42 - April 04, 2010, 12:08 AM

    LOL.

    Its Zakir the dawah giving frog!



    But can anybody explain why they have that look in their eyes? I swear, I see it with so many female converts.


    I think it's probably because they're retarded in the first place and that's why they converted. No offense to any converts....  Smiley
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #43 - April 04, 2010, 12:11 AM

    Dawagandists should be thankful that there are so many faceless, unthinking, spineless people in the West. Makes their job a lot easier.

    I watched some hour long talk given by some diya (or whatever the word is) half-wit, and it was all about advise on how to convert people. Dishonest methods, emotional manipulation? No problem!

    He even said that the Big Bang theory was... 'just a theory' so how can you rely on it?

    If the dawists are that ignorant, then the people they convert must have the intellectual fortitude of pond slime.
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #44 - April 04, 2010, 12:47 PM

    in the West decide to convert( not revert) to Islam?

    according to various sources the majority of converts to Islam are women
    thoughts....



    Dawahganda - check out the dawah that is given to women; if they really told women want Islam is really about I have a feeling that the sales pitch would be a lot more difficult.

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #45 - December 10, 2010, 06:56 AM

    in the West decide to convert( not revert) to Islam?

    according to various sources the majority of converts to Islam are women
    thoughts....



    No offense but the question itself is flawed in my opinion. You can't really lump Western women into one category.

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #46 - December 10, 2010, 07:03 AM

    Another thing I have heard a few (just a few) white Muslim men say about why they don't marry white women is that white women have not been trained up enough by our society to be properly submissive and to be good housewives, whereas women from traditionally Muslim families have been (and you also hear this sort of self-hating shit from some Black brothers as to why they prefer a wife from overseas vs a Black woman).  


    Hi Manat,

    I've often wondered if part of Islam's appeal in the USA specifically is due to the issues that Americans have regarding gender relations. In the African-American community in particular I think that some men and women alike may convert to Islam because it will be a quick fix to the battle of the sexes.

    "And lo, verily hath they spoken, not one of this tribe, upon whom these entreaties were beseeched for the Lord, could giveth a shit."


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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #47 - December 10, 2010, 12:48 PM

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    I've often wondered if part of Islam's appeal in the USA specifically is due to the issues that Americans have regarding gender relations. In the African-American community in particular I think that some men and women alike may convert to Islam because it will be a quick fix to the battle of the sexes


    Man made disasters brought about by a lunatic variety of feminism that abases real womanhood and glorifies the bizarre,unrealistic visions of demented bitches,who spew mindless hatred for men.
    Get rid of your 'entitlement' culture that artificially MAKES PEOPLE EQUAL[which is very easy to do,get some short sighted idiots to pass a law]  rather than genuinely wanting people to BECOME EQUAL.You need something more than concocted statistics for that!Yes! equal opportunities are fair and welcome but trying to rig equal outcomes by various underhand methods is ugly and in the long run will undermine the strength of your nation.One of the crazy ways in which interpersonal relationships between the sexes is impacted is revealed in the following link,though it's UK specific I am sure you will find US analogues too. Read and decide for yourself!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html

    Quick fixes aren't permanent solutions, and what kind of a quick fix is this anyway!?



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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #48 - December 10, 2010, 12:58 PM

    Dawagandists should be thankful that there are so many faceless, unthinking, spineless people in the West. Makes their job a lot easier.

    I watched some hour long talk given by some diya (or whatever the word is) half-wit, and it was all about advise on how to convert people. Dishonest methods, emotional manipulation? No problem!

    He even said that the Big Bang theory was... 'just a theory' so how can you rely on it?

    If the dawists are that ignorant, then the people they convert must have the intellectual fortitude of pond slime.


    If it wasn't for the spectacular progress made by science and technology in the west I would have believed that the ' AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT' was just another myth!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #49 - December 10, 2010, 02:36 PM

    Quote from: LuckyTShirt
    in the West decide to convert( not revert) to Islam?


    The use of the term "revert" by Muslims derives from their belief that all people are BORN Muslim but if they have the misfortune to be brought up by non-Muslims they are by them misled from their original nature of pristine submission to Allah into the mire of kufr.

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  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #50 - December 10, 2010, 02:40 PM

    Quote from: BerberElla
    It's a combination of things.  Some do it for "love", some do it because they have been tricked into believing that Islam honours women in some way that no other religion or way of life does thanks to the dawah liars.


    So there are people who call themselves Muslims who make assertions about Islam knowing them to be untrue in order to make Islam attractive to potential converts?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #51 - December 10, 2010, 03:19 PM

    From Berberella's above link:

    This is not just happening to Asian girls. This is happening to British white chrisitian girls too. I have a friend whose 14 year old daughter has been indoctrinated by a muslim boy who she met at her school with extremist views and has been forced into marrying him by coersion. The parents are at their wits ends as to what to do with their daughter. If anyone can help or advise how to deal with this situation we would welcome your comments. They are desperate not to lose their daughter. How can we stop this from happening.

    - Linda, Hemel Hempstead UK, 18/04/2010 00:02


    This strongly suggests that such behavior by Muslim males young or not so  cannot simply be attributed to their recent "radicalization" by "Islamists". Rather it represents an independent tradition in places like the Indian subcontinent which is propagated down the generations through the family and would be going on even if "wahaabism" were not being spread round the world by the Saudis.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #52 - December 10, 2010, 03:41 PM

    The use of the term "revert" by Muslims derives from their belief that all people are BORN Muslim but if they have the misfortune to be brought up by non-Muslims they are by them misled from their original nature of pristine submission to Allah into the mire of kufr.


    Are there any scriptural support to base this?
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #53 - December 10, 2010, 04:06 PM

    This is one hadith that Muslims often refer to to support their contention:


    There is none born but is created to his true nature (Islam). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian quite as beasts produce their young with their limbs perfect. Do you see anything deficient in them? Then he quoted the Qur'an., The nature made by Allah in which He has created men there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion" (xxx. 33) Sahih Muslim Book 033, Number 6423


    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: What do you think makes alot of women...
     Reply #54 - December 11, 2010, 05:08 AM

    Man made disasters brought about by a lunatic variety of feminism that abases real womanhood and glorifies the bizarre,unrealistic visions of demented bitches,who spew mindless hatred for men.
    Get rid of your 'entitlement' culture that artificially MAKES PEOPLE EQUAL[which is very easy to do,get some short sighted idiots to pass a law]  rather than genuinely wanting people to BECOME EQUAL.You need something more than concocted statistics for that!Yes! equal opportunities are fair and welcome but trying to rig equal outcomes by various underhand methods is ugly and in the long run will undermine the strength of your nation.One of the crazy ways in which interpersonal relationships between the sexes is impacted is revealed in the following link,though it's UK specific I am sure you will find US analogues too. Read and decide for yourself!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html

    Quick fixes aren't permanent solutions, and what kind of a quick fix is this anyway!?



    WHOA, don't shoot the messenger! I am not saying that it's a quick fix or that I even agree with it. I just think it's a reason why some Americans get reeled in. The collateral damage of the lunatic variety of feminism you mention is very real and has affected the lives of many people. In an attempt to deal with that damage some men and women seek to go back to the mythical "good ole days", and Islam is a great vehicle for that. Of course the "good ole days" were never that good, but that's another thread.

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