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  • Sunday school brainwashing
     OP - December 30, 2010, 03:13 AM

    My brother and sister (12 and 13) attend a Sunday class for lessons in Arabic.
    This initially started as learning how to read Arabic, but soon expanded to an organisation that teaches them Islamic history (biased, of course), organises events etc.
    I was chatting with an 18 year old friend who also attends and asked him if they ever spoke about the miracles of the Quran.

    Apparently they do, which started a few months ago when a pupil asked "what to say when people ask why Islam is the true religion".
    Now they made assignments out of it: they told them about the miracles and the students now must research and prove these miracles.
    With their findings they're going to hold an event where non-muslims are invited and the 'evidence' will be presented.

    The particular miracle this guy has to research is the moon splitting one. When I asked him how they brought up the evidence for this, his response was
    "The teacher said that only recently NASA said that the moon in fact was split, and this is written in the Quran, which proves that muhammad was a prophet"
    That's right, the same bullshit sentence that's spammed all over the web. No evidence was provided, no video, no picture, just this claim.

    Now this guy has to search the web to find evidence for it, which is not hard to do considering the first 200 links you find are directed to Islamic websites.
    Obviously, the websites/videos debunking this will be ignored, because that's not part of the assignment. I know this because I asked him if he believes the moon miracle, and he does, because "it's written in the Quran and NASA proved it with recent findings". *sigh*

    It really bothers me that they do this, knowing my siblings (considering their age) are highly susceptible to scams like these. Having someone of higher authority already claiming this beforehand and finding out the claim is indeed true after their own research (on all the wrong sites with the wrong assumption to begin with) will only suck them deeper into the religion, making it harder to think critically in later years.

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    <three>: it's definitely not called neck
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  • Re: Sunday school brainwashing
     Reply #1 - December 30, 2010, 05:57 AM

    I can't comment on other peoples lives and situations, but whenever my younger sister comes out with crap like that , I set her straight.

    Recently she claimed that 'rain is made by gods tears' (lol, shes 6)
    I told her jokingly that its not right (made it sound as stupid as it was), then I went onto explain to her how rain actually forms; She's never made a statement like that again, to my knowledge.

    As she gets older, I can teach her to question claims like that and give more detailed responses as to why its wrong or unfounded.



    Like I said, I cant comment on other people because of other situations, but I'm an atheist and sure as hell, everyone knows it and if they dont like it, f**k them.
  • Re: Sunday school brainwashing
     Reply #2 - December 30, 2010, 07:34 AM

    Well, her idea of God's tears is somewhat innocent, especially considering her age.
    And setting her straight on this particular point doesn't affect her beliefs. But to me personally, finally realising the Quran is not scientific at all was one of the significant reasons for my apostasy. Likewise, setting them straight on such things might affect their beliefs. I wouldn't mind that of course, but my father has explicitly warned me to not try to disprove these things to them, in order to keep them believing.
    That's also the whole point of the event, it's meant as a justification and reinforcement of the belief that Islam is the true religion.

    I still haven't made up my mind if I should go or not. If I'd go I could set everything straight on most of the miracles, but this could mean parents would hold me accountable for any doubts I plant in their children's minds. (The mean age is about 15 I think, so I wouldn't have a problem with it, but yea, parents...)

    <dust>: i love tea!!!
    <dust>: milky tea
    <three>: soooo gentle for my neck (from the inside)
    <dust>: mm
    <three>: it's definitely not called neck
    <dust>: lol
    <three>: what's the word i'm looking for
    <dust>: throat
  • Re: Sunday school brainwashing
     Reply #3 - December 30, 2010, 09:58 AM

    My brother and sister (12 and 13) attend a Sunday class for lessons in Arabic.
    This initially started as learning how to read Arabic, but soon expanded to an organisation that teaches them Islamic history (biased, of course), organises events etc.
    I was chatting with an 18 year old friend who also attends and asked him if they ever spoke about the miracles of the Quran.

    Apparently they do, which started a few months ago when a pupil asked "what to say when people ask why Islam is the true religion".
    Now they made assignments out of it: they told them about the miracles and the students now must research and prove these miracles.
    With their findings they're going to hold an event where non-muslims are invited and the 'evidence' will be presented.

    The particular miracle this guy has to research is the moon splitting one. When I asked him how they brought up the evidence for this, his response was
    "The teacher said that only recently NASA said that the moon in fact was split, and this is written in the Quran, which proves that muhammad was a prophet"
    That's right, the same bullshit sentence that's spammed all over the web. No evidence was provided, no video, no picture, just this claim.

    Now this guy has to search the web to find evidence for it, which is not hard to do considering the first 200 links you find are directed to Islamic websites.
    Obviously, the websites/videos debunking this will be ignored, because that's not part of the assignment. I know this because I asked him if he believes the moon miracle, and he does, because "it's written in the Quran and NASA proved it with recent findings". *sigh*

    It really bothers me that they do this, knowing my siblings (considering their age) are highly susceptible to scams like these. Having someone of higher authority already claiming this beforehand and finding out the claim is indeed true after their own research (on all the wrong sites with the wrong assumption to begin with) will only suck them deeper into the religion, making it harder to think critically in later years.



    Absolutely disgusting but happens all the time all over many madrassas. Young, susceptible minds take advantaged of. That's Islam's way of saying, "Get 'em while their young".

    This is a long shot but is possible to convince your rents the things they are teaching are not "Islamic" in the sense that it isn't about reading the quran in Arabic (it's useless but less mind indoctrinating) but is more about "Us Muslims Vs Those Westerners to prove them wrong" ? They try to convince them to find some other Madrassa. Only pragmatic thing I can think of. Good luck.
  • Re: Sunday school brainwashing
     Reply #4 - December 30, 2010, 08:30 PM

    ^
    I tried that, but my father is a super convinced of those damn miracles, how can he not be?
    He thinks of such an event as a good thing, after all, they might get a few people interested in Islam and eventually some converts.
    Last time I refuted some of the miracles he said I got it from a jewish site holding a plot to put Islam in a bad light.
    Fuck people are stupid

    <dust>: i love tea!!!
    <dust>: milky tea
    <three>: soooo gentle for my neck (from the inside)
    <dust>: mm
    <three>: it's definitely not called neck
    <dust>: lol
    <three>: what's the word i'm looking for
    <dust>: throat
  • Re: Sunday school brainwashing
     Reply #5 - December 30, 2010, 08:36 PM

    Last time I refuted some of the miracles he said I got it from a jewish site holding a plot to put Islam in a bad light.




    I get comments like that on my videos all the time.
    I'm even starting to be convinced in a super-jew
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