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 Topic: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?

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  • Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     OP - January 02, 2012, 03:07 AM

    Controversial but necessary question.

    Lets face the facts. While we might have problems with the Abrahamic holy books and God as potrayed in them and all the gruesome incidents present within. Does that necessarily make God as a concept unacceptable?

    Is God really the problem? Or is it people who act in the name of God problematically a problem?

    The Abrahamic holy books record the events that took place in the deserts - the history revolved around the Semitic groups. All the tales written are their own accounts. All the laws their own.

    It makes 100% sense for women to veil themselves in a climate/lanscape like that of an Arabian desert with sandstorms. So from their perspective a full veil is only taking it to the next step. And since they are so used to covering themselves their idea of modesty will not tally with that of tribesmen from New Guinea.

    To call yourself a naturalist but to take shots at human behaviour that stem naturally due to evolutionary pressure is hilarious, ridiculous and stupid as fuck.

    And why pretend like as if the concept of God is completely irrational? The attributes of God are benign and beyond that of anything else. Is it that suprising to find that naturally people would show reverence to such a being? To say that something is only valid if you can see it and touch is what that is truly unreasonable. You can say such a thing does not meet your standards of verifiable existence therefore you are not willing to consider it is acceptable and honest. But to enforce that on the religious is no different from the adamance of the religious themselves. To demand that the religious ought to examine things in light of science is acceptable but to claim that science reigns supreme is absurd.

    And Im not supporting evangelicalism here and all superstitions that go along with religion.
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #1 - January 02, 2012, 03:16 AM

    actually, no... moses didnt start it.. the pharoah Akhenaten  of egypt did
    The Aten cult

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #2 - January 02, 2012, 03:21 AM

    I didnt say Monotheism was exclusive to Semitic/Abrahamic religions. Truth of the matter is, in the Western Atheist context; religion = Abrahamic religions and Monotheism = Abrahamic religious theism. So, and Im sure all of us here already know, much of the atheist antipathy against "religion" is a narrow-minded definition of "religion". The only one who has taken the trouble to be honest about this fact is Sam Harris.
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #3 - January 02, 2012, 03:22 AM

    Also Ankhenaten didnt worship "God the Creator and Transcendant". You do know what I meant by "Monotheism". Wink
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #4 - January 02, 2012, 03:42 AM

    okay you know what? cancel all the shit I just said. Evolution will not look pretty if this is allowed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80vWu1yzokY

    >.>...
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #5 - January 02, 2012, 04:08 AM

    Monotheism or Semitism or whatever isn't the problem. The problem is there are assholes in the world who think that just because they believe in a certain fairytale, everyone else should and forced to believe it too, and that they are entitled to be dicks against anybody who believes otherwise.
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #6 - January 02, 2012, 06:46 AM

    Quote
    Is God really the problem? is it people who act in the name of God problematically a problem?


    The bolded part.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #7 - January 02, 2012, 07:13 AM

    okay you know what? cancel all the shit I just said. Evolution will not look pretty if this is allowed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80vWu1yzokY


     Cheesy Cheesy  you are very quick to change your views passingaround..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fq4wZ_lQjc

    Yes Sam Harris good..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #8 - January 02, 2012, 08:20 AM

    Controversial but necessary question.

    Lets face the facts. While we might have problems with the Abrahamic holy books and God as potrayed in them and all the gruesome incidents present within. Does that necessarily make God as a concept unacceptable?

    Is God really the problem? Or is it people who act in the name of God problematically a problem?

    The Abrahamic holy books record the events that took place in the deserts - the history revolved around the Semitic groups. All the tales written are their own accounts. All the laws their own.

    You're doing ok up to this point.

    Quote
    It makes 100% sense for women to veil themselves in a climate/lanscape like that of an Arabian desert with sandstorms. So from their perspective a full veil is only taking it to the next step. And since they are so used to covering themselves their idea of modesty will not tally with that of tribesmen from New Guinea.

    To call yourself a naturalist but to take shots at human behaviour that stem naturally due to evolutionary pressure is hilarious, ridiculous and stupid as fuck.

    You fucked up here. If veiling makes practical sense for female humans in a particular climate, it will make just as much practical sense for human males.

    Quote
    And why pretend like as if the concept of God is completely irrational? The attributes of God are benign and beyond that of anything else.

    Are they? Really? Given that supposedly God is in charge of everything, that would include tsunamis, earthquakes (yes, I know they're related), disease epidemics, etc, etc, etc. Very benign, is it not?

    This is where, in my opinion, some of the older and more violent pagan religions had a more realistic concept of their gods. In those religions, the gods were frequently cruel and capricious, which is much more in accord with real occurrences if you are going to assume said occurrences are the responsibility of one or more deities.

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    Is it that suprising to find that naturally people would show reverence to such a being?

    It's not surprising that they would be scared shitless of such beings, if they believed in their existence. This is most likely why religions put such stock in fear (and they all do, to a greater or lesser extent).

    It also explains the origins of prayer, which is basically grovelling and begging to a capricious being in the hope that it will be nice to you. Religions rely on the assumption that such beings will take notice of your pleading. Why they should do this is another matter.

    Quote
    To say that something is only valid if you can see it and touch is what that is truly unreasonable. You can say such a thing does not meet your standards of verifiable existence therefore you are not willing to consider it is acceptable and honest. But to enforce that on the religious is no different from the adamance of the religious themselves. To demand that the religious ought to examine things in light of science is acceptable but to claim that science reigns supreme is absurd.

    And Im not supporting evangelicalism here and all superstitions that go along with religion.

    It's not just a matter of seeing and touching. It's a matter of evidence. Any evidence will do, as long as it's verifiable. For instance, we cannot see and touch ultraviolet light but we have evidence that it exists.

    There is no such evidence for any deity. Ergo, there is no obligation to assume that a deity exists.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #9 - January 02, 2012, 08:33 AM

    passingaround, why don't you stop pussyfooting around and just admit that you're a muzzie.
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #10 - January 02, 2012, 08:34 AM

    Quote
    You fucked up here. If veiling makes practical sense for female humans in a particular climate, it will make just as much practical sense for human males


    Not only that but how they made it into a universal moral principle.From Islamic perspective, it is a sign of modesty but the actual reason behind the veiling stem from fear of punishment in hell-fire, not climate.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #11 - January 02, 2012, 08:35 AM

    passingaround, why don't you stop pussyfooting around and just admit that you're a muzzie.


    001_wub

    fuck you
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #12 - January 02, 2012, 09:41 PM

    Also Ankhenaten didnt worship "God the Creator and Transcendant". You do know what I meant by "Monotheism". Wink


    actually I didnt. and Ankhenaten DID practice monotheism.  Why should I assume specifics
    when you didnt clarify that monotheism was specifically about Allah et al?

    are you a muslim, btw?

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #13 - January 02, 2012, 10:48 PM

    Lets face the facts. While we might have problems with the Abrahamic holy books and God as potrayed in them and all the gruesome incidents present within. Does that necessarily make God as a concept unacceptable?


    Certainly not unacceptable as a concept but scriptures aside I would say that he/she/it definitely aint anything worth worshipping. Considering it's supposed to be an all powerful & benevolent
    entity that created all the stuff around us he/she/it didn't do a great job of it & is a rubbish engineer/designer. Whatever you want to imagine of this conceptual god  of yours IMO it is a bumbling baffoon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4238NN8HMgQ&feature=player_embedded

    Have a nice day/evening  Wink

    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Is it Monotheism or Semitism that is the problem?
     Reply #14 - January 04, 2012, 03:54 AM

    The problem is not monotheism or semitism. There is only a problem when the followers of those beliefs try to impose them on other people. I don't see any religious group as a problem as long as they respect the beliefs and values of other people and don't use their beliefs as an excuse to do things that would otherwise be deemed unacceptable. 

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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