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  • the burqa argument as i see it
     OP - March 15, 2011, 04:46 PM

    is it just me or is the same argument around the world just the same thing said in different ways over and over again..


    Muslim: I want to wear the burqa

    non Muslim: oh, well im very uncomfortable with that, i want you to have the freedom to do so but i dont want you to do it.

    Muslim: wearing the burqa will free me

    non muslim: from whom?

    muslim: from men's starring eyes. so they done desire me or attack me.

    non muslim: wearing a burqa wont stop that from happening, men will look regardless, and if you get attacked a burqa wont stop it from happening. self defence and pepper spray will help with that.

    muslim: how dare you! youre offending me. youre racist!

    non muslim: what? no im not! im trying to understand why you believe what you do.

    muslim: it says in the quran i should wear it.

    non muslim: well i dont know too much about the Quran but doesnt it recommend you dress modestly?

    muslim: thats what im doing! im wearing a burqa!

    non muslim: but youre cutting yourself off from this culture, youre shielding yourself away.

    Muslim: no im not.

    non muslim:  ooo kaaayyy then.. *too scared to offend any further*

    although i do know people are beginning to speak up about it now (despite being labelled a racist)

    what i fear is that when you take away right after right with people; this is when extremism may flourish...

    whats your opinion?

    is there a win win solution??


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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #1 - March 15, 2011, 04:58 PM

    There isn't really a cut and dry answer.
    True that alot of women choose to dress like bin bags and use their freedom to voluntarily have less of them.
    However
    Alot of women have been forced into it and/or are brainwashed from childhood that they must.
    So trying to apply a universal standard here isn't really possible.


    The only aspect of the issue I care to deal with is that no ones rights should be above anyone elses (no matter what their idiotic beliefs may be).
    If I can't wear a mask or hood in a public place or have to wear a uniform, then the same standard MUST go to everyone whether they like it or not.
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #2 - March 15, 2011, 05:39 PM

    well, for me it's purely a security issue. everyone in public places should be able to see who they are dealing with and identify one another. that's all.


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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #3 - March 15, 2011, 07:13 PM

    Laws are made by the societies according to the need of time. It does enforce a lot of things, like you do not get married to a minor even with consent; You are not allowed to sell pork in a muslim country; You are not allowed to sell cocaine; You are not allowed to drink alcohol until certain age; Alcohol and car sale is prohibited in US on Sunday before noon..

    Burqa definitely is a safety issue, and also is a symbol of oppression! Many women for sure for argument's sake do it as their own will, but I am sure, 90% of the time it is because of pressure of their male family members or indoctrination.

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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #4 - March 15, 2011, 07:14 PM

    My opinion?

    Let them wear their damn burqa  Roll Eyes

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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #5 - March 15, 2011, 07:18 PM

    Well, if you know a woman is in abusive relationship, would you say the same, "Let her stay in that damn relationship"?
    Or if a family beat their children, would you say, "Let them treat their children the damn way they want"?

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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #6 - March 15, 2011, 07:26 PM

    I think we should ban them just for looking so fucking ridiculous.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #7 - March 15, 2011, 08:22 PM

    I hate the burqa but I would defend to the death the right of women to wear one.

    Wait, no I wouldn't...  Smiley
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #8 - March 15, 2011, 08:50 PM

    Quote
    is there a win win solution??


    No
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #9 - March 15, 2011, 08:54 PM

    Quote
    muddy

    Burqa definitely is a safety issue, and also is a symbol of oppression! Many women for sure for argument's sake do it as their own will, but I am sure, 90% of the time it is because of pressure of their male family members or indoctrination.


    Agree

    Quote
    Ishina
    I think we should ban them just for looking so fucking ridiculous.


    They look like walking tents.

  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #10 - March 15, 2011, 09:08 PM

    I hate the burqa but I would defend to the death the right of women to wear one.

    Wait, no I wouldn't...  Smiley

     Cheesy

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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #11 - March 16, 2011, 03:11 AM

    People need to understand the parental attitude they are taking is dangerous and very similiar to the Islamic ideal of parental knowledge they claim to have. No one knows what's best for another person and if they are not harming another person we have no right to tell them what they can and cannot do. Freedom and liberty are important and need to be protected regardless of your feelings towards that group. The more u force or restrict people the more they will resist. Women have the freedom to wear what they wish be it bikini or burka. Don't let your personal feelings or experiences cloud that.
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #12 - April 05, 2011, 09:14 AM

     I don't like it when people hide their faces. But if we forbid face-hiding, then we should forbid not only burka but also ski masks, Halloween masks, and even sun glasses.So I don't think it's possible to implement a law against burka without making it specifically anti-muslim, which is sure to provoke outrage as it happened in France.
     I've heard that the anti - face-veil law in France is not respected.   
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #13 - April 05, 2011, 09:57 AM

    Burqa is a symbol of Moh's Hypocrasy.

    You may wonder why I say this, well the burqa was worn by Pagan Beduine women way before Islam was invented. I assumed Moh defeated the Pagan traditions but yet he kept hold onto the Burqa?

    In a western society, wearing the Burqa will obviously turn eyes because the Burqa is very un-common and men will stare.

    If Muslims are trying to say wearing a Burqa will reduce rape crime or protect a women from attempt rape them I am afraid they are mistaken.

    If women are respected and given rights to be equals to men, then what use would a Burqa be?

    Burqa is for insecure people
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #14 - April 05, 2011, 10:09 AM

    People need to understand the parental attitude they are taking is dangerous and very similiar to the Islamic ideal of parental knowledge they claim to have. No one knows what's best for another person and if they are not harming another person we have no right to tell them what they can and cannot do. Freedom and liberty are important and need to be protected regardless of your feelings towards that group. The more u force or restrict people the more they will resist. Women have the freedom to wear what they wish be it bikini or burka. Don't let your personal feelings or experiences cloud that.


     I agree that the state shouldn't arbitrate on attire, and notwithstanding the rights of private premises or companies, businesses and employers to stipulate that faces must be able to be seen, burqa wearers should be free to advertise themselves as genital stumps covered in black to prevent them getting raped, and ambassadors for the most hateful misogynistic patriachal uncivilised opression on earth, including the advertisement that all women are responsible for their own rape, all men are rapists, and all women who do not wear this costume are sluts.

    I just wish that folks would stand up and actually say all that, call a spade a spade, and actually do what is best about a free society - criticise and describe truthfully backward misogynistic hatred when it manifests in backward symbols rooted in primitive notions, which is exactly what the burqa is.

    One last thing - the bikini and the burqa are not the same thing. There is no equivalency between them. This canard seems to get thrown around so casually, such has it been accepted, but it is a mendacious zero sum coupling, which clouds the issue completely.

    The bikini is worn by women when they go to the beach or the swimming pool. It is not an everyday costume. Compare like with like. Its Burqa or Normal Clothing With Face Showing.

    (The thing about choice as well..........its dishonest and partial to talk about choice without mentioning the deep coercive practises that girls and women who wear burqa are subjected to by families and communities. Without that acceptance of that fact, this discussion is totally unrealistic)


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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #15 - April 05, 2011, 12:12 PM

    I think a vast majority of female women in the west wear the Niqaab not out of pressure from males , actually I know alot of girls who can't wear hijab/ abaya because of their parents . To be honest I used to think the burqa was scary but after meeting girls my age wearing it they had a heart of gold ! When I was at the airport once I saw a lady remove her veil in front of everyone when they we checking her passport so I don't think its too much of a problem . Plus the girls wearing it will soon grow out of it .

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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #16 - April 05, 2011, 12:23 PM

    Salma Yaqoob and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown on the burqa ban...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/02/conversation-yaqoob-alibhai-brown-burqa

    .
  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #17 - April 05, 2011, 01:02 PM

    As long as the girl/women have the freedom burkha in their heads and  in the society, no one cares what they wear or don't wear. The only limitation is it should not be dangerous to the co-workers  and nuisance to the social structure such schools or banks.  See this .. this is rubbish and insulting to Muslims and Islam...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKqxueuhK0

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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #18 - April 06, 2011, 06:05 PM

    I think walking around in a burqa is equivalent to walking around naked: it's going to disturb some people and attract their attention at the same time and clash with their social norm.

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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #19 - April 06, 2011, 07:39 PM



    It starts at  1:52
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bnmlQQ7YY&feature=related

    Those Smart Muslims  Thinking hard

    I personally like the ban, Only reason being it's addressed the unspoken of.
    and of course that whomever is imposed to wear it can give the invisible yet magical finger to the imposer.



    There are  many reasons why a woman would  wear a Burqa if she is not strictly forced by a family member, I think each woman will have multiple reasons. Some women tend to have a split personality type of thing within their reasoning for doing it.
    My husband would leave me  if i took it off  , eerh No it's haram not to , I'm being firm with the men you see, I hate guys staring at me , it's a personal choice, I know Allah knows best, it's stuffy i'm suffering,It's embarrassing for my husband, it puts focus on my actions, and which would be most appropriate in France at the moment , I love standing out in th crowd & i feel strong, As for Saudi, eh, everyone else does it :/





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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #20 - May 21, 2011, 09:15 PM




    There are  many reasons why a woman would  wear a Burqa if she is not strictly forced by a family member, I think each woman will have multiple reasons. Some women tend to have a split personality type of thing within their reasoning for doing it.

    My husband would leave me  if i took it off  , eerh No it's haram not to , I'm being firm with the men you see, I hate guys staring at me , it's a personal choice, I know Allah knows best, it's stuffy i'm suffering,It's embarrassing for my husband, it puts focus on my actions, and which would be most appropriate in France at the moment , I love standing out in th crowd & i feel strong, As for Saudi, eh, everyone else does it :/

    Hmmm..

    Where is the Burkha?? where is the niqab?? where did it go?



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  • Re: the burqa argument as i see it
     Reply #21 - May 21, 2011, 11:54 PM

    I agree that the state shouldn't arbitrate on attire, and notwithstanding the rights of private premises or companies, businesses and employers to stipulate that faces must be able to be seen, burqa wearers should be free to advertise themselves as genital stumps covered in black to prevent them getting raped, and ambassadors for the most hateful misogynistic patriachal uncivilised opression on earth, including the advertisement that all women are responsible for their own rape, all men are rapists, and all women who do not wear this costume are sluts.

    I just wish that folks would stand up and actually say all that, call a spade a spade, and actually do what is best about a free society - criticise and describe truthfully backward misogynistic hatred when it manifests in backward symbols rooted in primitive notions, which is exactly what the burqa is.

    One last thing - the bikini and the burqa are not the same thing. There is no equivalency between them. This canard seems to get thrown around so casually, such has it been accepted, but it is a mendacious zero sum coupling, which clouds the issue completely.

    The bikini is worn by women when they go to the beach or the swimming pool. It is not an everyday costume. Compare like with like. Its Burqa or Normal Clothing With Face Showing.

    (The thing about choice as well..........its dishonest and partial to talk about choice without mentioning the deep coercive practises that girls and women who wear burqa are subjected to by families and communities. Without that acceptance of that fact, this discussion is totally unrealistic)




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