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Topic: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #30 - June 11, 2011, 04:48 AM

Quote from: z10 on June 11, 2011, 04:41 AM
I read a few posts on Hamza's blog and it seems as if he does have a wide range of sophisticated philosophical arguments for his position. I don't agree with any of his conclusions but he's not a completely naive evangelist.

I will say that they aren't wholly original though. Alot of it is WLC when it comes to theism and the already mentioned, " if Muhammad didn't write it it must have been Allah" idea, but he has put in work though.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #31 - June 11, 2011, 05:24 AM

Yeah checked his blog. Same old WLC shit. Don't waste a lot your time exposing that nonsense, just concentrate on the miracles. Don't make him look good by any means.

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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #32 - June 11, 2011, 05:48 AM

I wouldn't call WLC's philosophy non sense, but his conclusions are a bit off.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
My political philosophy below
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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #33 - June 11, 2011, 05:51 AM

Yes, WLC may be wrong but he isn't an idiot. I find that Hamza likes to gloss over the weaker premises of his arguments very quickly and devotes himself to his stronger points thus making his overall essays sound more impressive.

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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #34 - June 11, 2011, 06:34 AM

Quote from: deusvult on June 11, 2011, 05:48 AM
I wouldn't call WLC's philosophy non sense, but his conclusions are a bit off.

That may not be, but how he infers the existence of (judeo-christian) god from that is nonsense. He knows his shit, yes.

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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #35 - June 11, 2011, 10:01 PM

Hamza sounds alot like WLC. Anyways Good luck man i will be looking forward to it. I was suprised he accepted tbh any how all the best . also remember he'll most likely bring the whole "out of context" and "thats not what it means in arabic" arguments .

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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #36 - June 11, 2011, 10:08 PM

Quote from: Skeptic on June 11, 2011, 10:01 PM
Hamza sounds alot like WLC. Anyways Good luck man i will be looking forward to it. I was suprised he accepted tbh any how all the best . also remember he'll most likely bring the whole "out of context" and "thats not what it means in arabic" arguments .

Did he accept the challenge?

قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #37 - June 11, 2011, 10:09 PM

Yes, he is going to get in touch with me mid July to arrange a time.

I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #38 - June 11, 2011, 10:10 PM

Good job TR, I really look forward to this anhillation, I mean debate.
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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #39 - June 11, 2011, 10:12 PM

AWESOME!

قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #40 - June 11, 2011, 10:15 PM

TR, sorry, I couldn't find your intro thread. You've never been a Muslim?

قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #41 - June 11, 2011, 11:16 PM

@harakaat: ^
Watch the following video. TheRationalizer summarised his story in it neatly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-xZ_8VMus

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