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 Topic: Secular Spirituality?

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  • Secular Spirituality?
     OP - August 22, 2011, 09:24 PM
    What would that mean?

    Contradictions in terms?


    Is there a possibility of a Secular Spirituality?


    Is Humanism a Secular Spirituality?


    Is the word Spirituality a bogus term that describes nothing?



    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #1 - August 22, 2011, 09:42 PM
    Depends what you mean by spirituality.
    This video seems relevant:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E
    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #2 - August 23, 2011, 06:41 AM
    nice video. i can relate to that. that could be the secular spirituality...


    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #3 - August 23, 2011, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: Gladfly on August 22, 2011, 09:24 PM
    What would that mean?

    Contradictions in terms?


    Is there a possibility of a Secular Spirituality?


    Is Humanism a Secular Spirituality?


    Is the word Spirituality a bogus term that describes nothing?






    I would lean towards this. When I was a Muslim I used to consider myself a deeply spiritual person. But the euphoria I felt when in a trance during prayer is no different than the euphoria I feel playing basketball and I truly become one with the ball. But I think its rare that anyone would describe the latter as a "spiritual" experience.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #4 - August 23, 2011, 10:10 PM
    Or just word to describe the undescribeable subjective experiences?
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #5 - August 23, 2011, 11:38 PM
    Quote from: Gladfly on August 23, 2011, 10:10 PM
    Or just word to describe the undescribeable subjective experiences?


    Possibly, but its a term with so much baggage associated with it that I'd rather just not use it.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #6 - August 24, 2011, 12:30 AM
    A secular spiritualist is like a vegetarian who only eats meat 'now and again'
    or a drug user who just takes drugs 'in stressful occasions'

    Some people just can't kick the habit fully sometimes..
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #7 - August 26, 2011, 07:57 PM
    A secular spiritualist is like a vegetarian who only eats meat 'now and again'



    Hey i class my self as a semi vegetarian!

    Eat meat now and again out of necessity not out of unable to kick the habit. Dont enjoy meat that much!
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #8 - August 26, 2011, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: Gladfly on August 26, 2011, 07:57 PM
    Eat meat now and again out of necessity not out of unable to kick the habit. Dont enjoy meat that much!


    What do you mean by necessity?
    There are plenty of non meat alternatives if you're not a vegan, sometimes cheaper too.

    Milk, nuts, chick peas, beans, whey protein isolate, (possibly fish depending on your definition of vegetarian), soy, TVP, wheat gluten, mushroom (portobello) , tofu, eggs etc etc.

    Plenty of things and mixes to generate the adequate levels of fats, iron, vitamins, proteins and carbs.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #9 - August 26, 2011, 09:04 PM
    Vege not always available on the menu
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #10 - August 26, 2011, 09:05 PM
    I think I'm a secular spiritualist.

    I enjoy meditating, focusing on being at peace with myself and become aware of my connection to the universe....

    Tongue I know sounds cheesy and all.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #11 - August 26, 2011, 09:08 PM
    I too meditate!

    And have a natural connection with the natural world.

    Are you my long lost twin!!!!!
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #12 - August 26, 2011, 09:28 PM
    Not to sound offensive, but isn't 'being one with the universe' sort of like 'having a bond' with a chimp, right before it tries to tear your arm off?

    (I.E/ The bond in question was entirely one sided and in the victims head)
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #13 - August 26, 2011, 09:40 PM
    erm no...because this 'bond' you talk of as we are separate from the universe in the first place to have a 'bond' with the universe...But we are already bonded with the universe from the beginning of time, when the each atom that's part of our body now was created in the big bang singularity. When I use the word 'universe' I essentially mean this reality. We are a part of this universe...no?

    I said when meditating to become aware, and mindful of our part in this reality. Rather than be so busy with our everyday lives of doing the washing, socializing, doing our studies work etc, and not giving time to just stop and being aware of each moment.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #14 - August 26, 2011, 09:47 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on August 26, 2011, 09:28 PM
    Not to sound offensive, but isn't 'being one with the universe' sort of like 'having a bond' with a chimp, right before it tries to tear your arm off?

    (I.E/ The bond in question was entirely one sided and in the victims head)


     Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #15 - August 26, 2011, 09:49 PM

    By the way stardust, I was just laughing at mighty_cats chimp analogy, which was funny in its own right.

    I wasn't being dismissive of what you said - I understand that feeling you describe  Smiley
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #16 - August 26, 2011, 09:55 PM
    We all have an awe and wonder that cannot be quantified.

    Religion only demeans that unquantifiable wonder.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #17 - August 27, 2011, 07:10 AM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on August 26, 2011, 09:28 PM
    Not to sound offensive, but isn't 'being one with the universe' sort of like 'having a bond' with a chimp, right before it tries to tear your arm off?

    (I.E/ The bond in question was entirely one sided and in the victims head)


    We are related to all lifeforms on this planet! From poisonous snakes to the giant redwood tree Wink
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Secular Spirituality?
     Reply #18 - August 27, 2011, 07:54 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 26, 2011, 09:55 PM
    We all have an awe and wonder that cannot be quantified.

    Religion only demeans that unquantifiable wonder.


    But can this "awe and wonder" be considered "spirituality"? That seems to be an essential question of this thread, and I don't think the two can be related, seeing as the former in my experience has a completely different quality than the latter when it is religiously inspired.

    For example Islamic spirituality as I experienced it was not about wonder, which implies inquisitiveness, but acceptance, which reinforces a certain passive character to the whole experience.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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