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Topic: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13

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Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
OP - September 11, 2011, 11:47 PM

Just got invited to this event entitled "Islam or Humanism: Which One Makes More Sense?" held by "The BIG Debates" who describe themselves as "an independent platform that seeks to build a bridge of understanding and discussion between Western and Islamic thinkers." They are in fact a front group for iERA, but anyhoo, the link is below. Does anyone fancy coming along? Accommodation for the night in London is available.

http://www.thebigdebates.com/226/debates/islam-or-humanism

EDIT: Oooops. This is on Tuesday not Wednesday!
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #1 - September 12, 2011, 12:28 AM

Islam or Humanism? They have the audacity to ask such a question?!?!

I already knew about this event btw, but I don't think I'll be going.

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #2 - September 12, 2011, 12:45 AM

"an independent platform that seeks to build a bridge of understanding and discussion between Western and Islamic thinkers."

Oh puuhleeez

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In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
Can't it be, can't it be mine

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #3 - September 12, 2011, 01:00 AM

Islam or Humanism?

Why not have another debate:

San Quentin or the Playboy Mansion? Where do you wanna go?

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #4 - September 12, 2011, 04:33 AM

INB4 Humanists have no objective morality

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
My political philosophy below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
Just kidding, here are some true heros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #5 - September 12, 2011, 04:35 AM

Just to tick off Hamza Richard should thank William Lane Craig for coming to the debate, and refer to Hamza as WLC every chance he can get.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
My political philosophy below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
Just kidding, here are some true heros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #6 - September 13, 2011, 04:17 PM

Quote from: MoeAlharbi on September 12, 2011, 12:45 AM
"an independent platform that seeks to build a bridge of understanding and discussion between Western and Islamic thinkers."

Oh puuhleeez

Dawah merchants love mimicking the rhetoric of 'understanding' and general bromides of multicultural harmony and tolerance and diversity, they think its really clever to coat their sour cyanide pill with sugar candy

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #7 - September 13, 2011, 04:51 PM

Ask him to debate the rationalizer via skype

An alternative to religion;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #8 - September 13, 2011, 05:30 PM

Quote from: billy on September 13, 2011, 04:17 PM
Dawah merchants love mimicking the rhetoric of 'understanding' and general bromides of multicultural harmony and tolerance and diversity, they think its really clever to coat their sour cyanide pill with sugar candy

reminds me of all the random " I humbly ask" or " we humbly proclaim"'s in iERA's adventure at the humanist conference.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
My political philosophy below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
Just kidding, here are some true heros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #9 - September 13, 2011, 05:39 PM

Western muslims are such fucking pretenders.

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #10 - September 13, 2011, 06:28 PM

i thought about going to this debate, but i'm zzzzzzz glad zzzzzzz i zzzzzzzzz didn't zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #11 - September 13, 2011, 06:46 PM

why do humanists/secularists stoop so low to share a platform with people who believe in a celestial invisible david copperfield? Would they share a public billing with individuals who believe that dragons or santa claus are real?
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #12 - September 13, 2011, 07:22 PM

Quote from: serpentofeden on September 13, 2011, 06:46 PM
why do humanists/secularists stoop so low to share a platform with people who believe in a celestial invisible david copperfield? Would they share a public billing with individuals who believe that dragons or santa claus are real?

Your question reeks of anti-faith bigotry, the nihilism of atheism, and the positivist arrogance of those who think only those things that are visible by eye are worth knowing blah blah blah

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #13 - September 13, 2011, 07:25 PM

I <3 Billy

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #14 - September 14, 2011, 12:18 AM

Quote from: serpentofeden on September 13, 2011, 06:46 PM
why do humanists/secularists stoop so low to share a platform with people who believe in a celestial invisible david copperfield? Would they share a public billing with individuals who believe that dragons or santa claus are real?

I do wonder if Richard Norman is aware of what he's getting himself into with this bunch. I did try to find some contact details for him but couldn't. Anyway, I'm heading back from Cambridge early to satisfy my morbid curiosity as to the behaviour of the audience as much as anything else. I take it this one will just be me and my Muslim buddy...the CEMB keyboard crew disappoint me again!
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #15 - September 14, 2011, 02:59 PM

Quote from: billy on September 13, 2011, 07:22 PM
Your question reeks of anti-faith bigotry, the nihilism of atheism, and the positivist arrogance of those who think only those things that are visible by eye are worth knowing blah blah blah

faith is intellectually feeble, so no intellectuals or academic should be holding public events with faithists....and yes im not interested in analagies, anecdotes etc.
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis vs. Richard Norman - Islam vs. Humanism - Wed 2011-09-13
Reply #16 - September 17, 2011, 12:13 PM

Quote from: billy on September 13, 2011, 04:17 PM
Dawah merchants love mimicking the rhetoric of 'understanding' and general bromides of multicultural harmony and tolerance and diversity, they think its really clever to coat their sour cyanide pill with sugar candy

Reminds me of that Tony Blaire vs. Hitchens debate. God that was unbearable! But I'm noticing that its getting harder for those dawahtards to get away with it. One can only hope.

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