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     Reply #60 - February 05, 2014, 10:48 PM

    Women are scary, I guess. Terror couch

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #61 - February 05, 2014, 10:57 PM

    I've always thought that if a guy goes mad at the sight of a few hairs he's got a lot of problems himself.  It's like saying that all guys are sex crazed animals.

    The funny thing is that I get way more attention due to the clothes I wear than any of the girls at school in normal clothes.  I bet if I just dressed normally nobody would even take a second look.
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     Reply #62 - February 06, 2014, 12:04 AM

    Doesn't Islam claim men are all sex maniacs just one inch away from violently raping women or something?

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    Women are scary, I guess. Terror couch


    They are...
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     Reply #63 - February 06, 2014, 10:24 AM

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    Doesn't Islam claim men are all sex maniacs just one inch away from violently raping women or something?

     Cheesy Pretty much. Islam has a love of rape culture.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #64 - February 06, 2014, 11:28 PM

    I have a problem with the term "rape culture", but it does seem Islamic law would make it easier for men to rape women, at the very least.
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     Reply #65 - February 06, 2014, 11:54 PM

    What problem?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #66 - February 07, 2014, 12:00 AM

    The term "rape culture" is problematic because it assumes rape is a cultural phenomenon, which it most certainly isn't.  It's a biological phenomenon.  All a culture can do is either mitigate it or not, but it will always exist, sans perhaps some future genetic engineering scheme.
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     Reply #67 - February 07, 2014, 12:05 AM

    Well rape culture just means a culture of victim blaming. It puts the guilt of the crime on the victim. As far as the meaning of the term, it's accurate. I've referred to it before as the "skirt's too short" defence.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #68 - February 07, 2014, 12:17 AM

    Well it's not a "rape culture" then, its a culture of victim blaming, which can occur with a whole host of crimes and tragedies, even including murder.  The fact that rape, like murder, exists in "the wild" shows its beyond the scope of any culture.  I also would dispute that victim blaming for rape exists as much as some feminist claim, at least for women.  And indeed, in many cases male rape victims have it harder than female ones, at least over here.
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     Reply #69 - February 07, 2014, 01:14 AM

    I disagree that women are not blamed, as victims of rape. Look at honor culture. Does not all responsibility rest with the woman? It is always her fault. A man even looking at her, is her fault.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #70 - February 07, 2014, 02:31 AM

    Well I'm talking about the US.  There is no "honor culture" here, and I doubt in the UK as well.  These are the places feminist say are a "rape culture" which again, is an impossible concept anyway.
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     Reply #71 - February 07, 2014, 02:54 AM

    There are plenty of people here living in honor culture, as well as in the UK. It's about the people, not the geography.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #72 - February 07, 2014, 03:14 AM

    Yeah but British culture has no such concept (at least not anymore).  Some immigrant communities might though, with no endorsement from the wider culture.
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     Reply #73 - February 07, 2014, 03:49 AM

    I don't think the wider culture matters to those living in honor culture. It seems like an impossible dream. You cannot step from one into the other without problems.
    So this is why I disagree, that victims are not blamed. Women and girls are being beaten for getting a wrong number on their phone. This is blaming the victim. Whatever happens in honor culture, it is the women's fault.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #74 - February 07, 2014, 04:24 AM

    Victims are "blamed" in certain societies, but ironically not the ones radical feminist who scream "rape culture" target.  And even in these societies, men get shamed and blamed if they're raped as well.  Especially in Northern Africa.

    Anyway, none of this proves a "rape culture" can even exist.  If something is biological, it can't be erased via culture.
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     Reply #75 - February 23, 2014, 05:02 PM

    this thread reminds me of this funny vid Tongue

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZoTn_hxAMc
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     Reply #76 - February 23, 2014, 07:13 PM

    @EzraJT
    But by saying that it's a biological factor, you're saying that rape is something within human nature, unavoidable and engraved within our psyche. If it was something of such then why isn't everybody raping each other?

    Rape isn't a biological factor, rape isn't the hierarchy of human needs, sex is. Rape in culture is evident, putting Islam as the example:

    If they went to war with another tribe and won, they would claim the women as booty. If A was not a Muslim then it makes it okay for B to rape her. This IS victim blaming, and this IS rape culture because it is built within a sociological group and belief.

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
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     Reply #77 - February 23, 2014, 10:02 PM

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    But by saying that it's a biological factor, you're saying that rape is something within human nature, unavoidable and engraved within our psyche. If it was something of such then why isn't everybody raping each other?

    Rape isn't a biological factor, rape isn't the hierarchy of human needs, sex is. Rape in culture is evident, putting Islam as the example:



    I think there is something like a natural biological propensity for any given behavior actually, whether it's eating, theft, rape, violence, etc., and these vary from individual to individual based on genetics.

    Societies either reinforce those propensities or attempt to suppress them. But at base, the behaviors are "natural", and biologically driven, and would occur among some portion of a population under ANY societal conditions. Societal conditions will tend to either reduce the rate of expression of these behaviors or increase the rate of expression, but will probably never be able to fully eliminate their expression or be able to cause 100% expression (without genetic engineering).

    All that society can do is tweak the dial.

    I think that in most (if not all) Western societies the overall impact of society is to suppress the expression of rape behavior. So I think that in society as a whole, rape occurs at a lower rate than the natural biological tendency toward that behavior, and the same can be said of theft, murder and most other types of violent and criminal type behavior. Of course within given sub-populations they may not be true, where such sub-populations exist.

    In terms of our modern definition of rape, being sex against the will of the individual. This happens in nature all the time, and in fact, happens within the harems of chimps and gorillas, with alpha males mating, often agreeably, but not uncommonly against the will of females in their harems as well.

    Think about prisons, male or female and rape within them.

    Understanding that these behaviors have their roots in nature is a major reason why I don't believe in harsh punishments for any action.

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    If they went to war with another tribe and won, they would claim the women as booty. If A was not a Muslim then it makes it okay for B to rape her. This IS victim blaming, and this IS rape culture because it is built within a sociological group and belief.


    Muslims didn't pull this out of their asses.  Forgetting the fact that this was common practice for many cultures, we observe this in animal species as well.  War itself is something natural.
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