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  • quranic contradictions
     OP - November 29, 2009, 01:52 AM

    Can anyone confirm if any of these are worthy contradictions, and/or how muslims justify them

    1) Allahs day equal to?
    1000 human years 22:47, 32:5
    50,000 human years 70:4

    2) Which came first Sky or earth?
    Sky: 79:27-30
    earth 2:29, 41:9-12

    4) who was the first muslim
    Abraham- 2:130-132
    Moses -7: 143
    Muhammed 39:12

    5) How many mothers does a muslim have?
    one 58.2
    two 4.23
    ten+ 33.6

    6) How many angels were talking to Maryam (Mary)?
    several 3:42, 45
    only one 19:17-21

    7) who chooses the devil to be friends with the unbelievers?
    Allah chooses 7:27
    disbelievers choose 7:30

    8)Was Fir?aun (Pharaoh) drowned or saved?
    drowned 17:102-3, 28:40 and 43:55
    saved 10:90-92

    9) 6 or 8 days of creation?
    6 day Q 7:54 10:3 11.7 and 25.59
    8 day Q 41:9 -12

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  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #1 - November 29, 2009, 02:40 AM

    Where is number #3?

    I've already read the Islamic response to nearly all the ones you've posted above. I will try posting them here, if no-one else does.

    For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who refuse to understand, no explanation is possible.
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #2 - November 29, 2009, 03:10 AM

    I wasnt convinved with no.3 either so I omitted it

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  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #3 - November 29, 2009, 08:08 AM

    I heard the responses a while ago, can't remember exactly what they were. Certainly not earth shattering. See if you can check it up with some classical tafseer like Ibn Kathir or Tabbari.
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #4 - November 29, 2009, 08:22 AM

    I've read through them and they aren't really contradictions as such; take 7:143 simply is stating that at the covenant between the Jews and God at Mount Sinai, he declared himself to be the first of that group of people at that specific moment.

    Regarding the first on regarding day length; it can't be viewed as literal but instead emphasising the fact that one human day does not equal one 'day' for God. The length of time giving isn't a specific declaration but instead one emphasising it being longer than what a human perceives a day as.

    I'm going to upload a video regarding the Qur'an on YouTube regarding the so-called 'miracle' of no contradictions.

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  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #5 - November 29, 2009, 11:31 AM

    Can you list the best of the best contradictions here: i.e. the ones you ar going to use in your video - its just that I think it would be sensible to have them in one place on this forum

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  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #6 - November 29, 2009, 11:33 AM

    Can you list the best of the best contradictions here: i.e. the ones you ar going to use in your video - its just that I think it would be sensible to have them in one place on this forum


    I'm going to actually point out that there are no contradictions in the Qur'an but it has nothing to do with it being a miracle, rather, it is the result of the mode used for recording - the recording being a progressive revelation rather than in the case of of the tanakh, everything lumped into a logic book format most people are used to reading.

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  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #7 - January 31, 2010, 11:52 AM

    here are some quranic errors/ridiculous statements that someone just pm'd to me, they look quite good  grin12


    quran 27;82 theres a beast/monster who's preaching to people

    Quran, 16:10 Qur'an, 95:1 allah only mentions fruit available in the middle east

    quran 21;16 when allah creates everything its a serious matter to him
    dinosaurs, predator prey etc. not a laughing matter huh?

    Quran, 20:6 everything underneath the earth belongs to god
    do all the sewers full of human faeces belong to god too?

    quran 31;10 theres firm immoving mountains on earth
    this is false. there are continental movement and drifts


    quran 16;8 god creates our transport - we can't create our own transport


    this is false. over the past few centuries we have invented planes, cars and all sorts of transport

    quran 4;11-12 hereditary laws dont add up
    wife 1/8 = 3/24
    daughters 2/3 = 16/24
    father 1/6 = 4/24
    mother 1/6 = 4/24
    total = 27/24

    quran 2;117 everything created in an instant, not through evolution

    quran 9;30 mohamed thinks jews believe ezra (whoever that is) is a son of god

    quran 5;116 mohamed thinks christians worship mary as a god confusing her with the trinity

    quran 12;20 joseph sold for coins
    coins didn't exist during the time of Joseph

    quran 20;85 a samaritan molded the calf for israelites
    samaritans didn't exist at the time of moses so this is impossible

    quran 17;1 mohamed went on a winged horse to farthest mosque aqsa
    this is impossible since the mosque was built later

    quran 27;22 solomon has a long conversation with a hoopoe bird

    quran 27;17 solomon has an army of birds and jinn

    quran 37;6 stars are guards against devils, so they wont eavesdrop

    Quran 86;7 "semen comes from the backbone and ribs"
    it comes from the testicles

    Quran 51;49 "everything created in pairs"
    asexuals?

    Quran 11;5 "thoughts of the breast (heart)"
    what happened to the brain?

    Quran 67;5 stars are 'missiles to drive away devils'
    no comment

    Quran 65;12 - theres supposedly 7 planets
    this is false. our solar system has 8 planets plus 4 dwarf planets ? 8 + 4 = 12

    the moon is further away than stars;
    quran 71;16 "moon in the midst of 7 heavens" 37;6 "stars in the lower/nearest heaven"
    this is false, the moon is the nearest natural object to us, so is NOT further away than stars

    24;43 hail comes from mountains

    Quran 21: 33 "And the Sun and Moon; both of them float along in its orbit"
    this clearly implies the sun goes around the earth

    quran 91;2 "the moon follows the sun"
    this is false, the moon has its own orbit

    quran 76;13 "moon has excessive cold"
    i thought the moon doesnt radiate any coldness?

    Qur'an, 71:16 "placed the moon as a light"
    the moon has no light. the word reflected (in`ikaas) does not appear in this sentence

    Quran 18;86 "sun sets in a muddy pool"
    thats impossible

    quran 36;38 "sun runs to a fixed resting place"
    this is false, the sun doesn't rest anywhere. it stays on its own axis.
    only a geocentric flat earth could assume this.
    Sahih Bukhari 4;421 adds "the sun remains under god's throne until its allowed rise again in the east"

    86;6 "man created from a drop emitted"
    this is false. the quran is ignorant of the female role with her egg.

    quran 21;30 heaven n earth used to be joined together before the big bang
    the earth did not exist before the big bang

    quran 2;29 the earth existed before the universe
    there were no planets before the big bang. astronomy today tells us earth was formed later in the cosmos

    Quran 96:2 "Created man, out of a mere clot"
    a blood clot cannot grow into life

    quran 31:34 only god knows whats in the womb
    this is false. we have technology called sonographer allowing us to look at the baby's gender

    Quran 2;125 and 5;97 "muslims are protected in mecca"
    this is false, Juhayman al-Otaybi and Abd-Allah ibn al-Zubayr, and abu Tahir al-Janabi killed thousands
    of muslim pilgrims without intervention of "baked stones" (Quran 105;4) from Allah. plus there have been natural disasters.

    Qur'an, 96:15 "We will grab him by the forelock, a lying, sinful forelock"
    this is false. man uses various areas of the brain when deceitful. not just the front

    Quran 6;38 "nothing have we omitted from this book"
    this is false, the Quran does not describe prayer and many other things hence needs 6 major hadith collections to back it up

    Quran 39;6 "womb in 3 layers"
    this is false, theres many more layers. endometrium, myometrium, perimetrium,
    peritoneum, besides the cervix uteri, corpus uteri, abdomen (with walls),
    placenta (with layers)

    quran 7;54 the sun is not a star
    this is false. the sun is also a star

    quran 2;22 "earth a couch" Qur'an, 20:53 "earth a cradle" 78;6 "earth a bed"
    and Earth's shape is NOT a flat plane. why not describe earth as a spherical ball?

    Qur'an, 2:22 "the sky a dome"
    this is false, the sky is not shaped like a dome. a dome has a base so this assumes a flat earth

    quran 20;106 without mountains the earth is level
    sounds flat

    21;104 "god will roll up the heavens and earth "
    sounds like a flat earth. doesn't sound like a universe of matter and energy

    Quran 15:19 "And the earth We have spread out like a carpet, set thereon Mountains
    firm and immovable"
    1st this extension sounds flat. a better metaphor for a round earth is a ball
    2nd mountains don't prevent earthquakes

    Quran 18;90 sun rises on a tribe who who have no protection from the sun
    this is false. we are all equally 95 million miles from the sun. this suggests a flat geocentric earth

    quran 13;2 earth has invisible pillars keeping up the heavens
    this is false. gravity is the answer

    Qur'an 50:38 "earth created in 6 days"
    this is false, earth took billions of years to form

    quran 36:40 night can't outstrip the day
    this is false. in the north pole we have months of night without daylight. allah forgot say how to observe ramadan in this situation

    quran 2;187 fast until from sunrise to sunset
    this is flawed since people from polar regions have months without sunset or sunrise

    quran 11;40 "load onto a boat 1 pair of each animal species"
    this is false, theres millions of land animals, theres no way 1 man can
    catch them all to fit on a boat

    quran 67;3 "You will not find any flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful."
    this is false, 100 million people on earth have diagnosed disabilities

    Qur'an, 5:96 "Anything you catch in the sea is lawful for you, and all food from it,
    for your enjoyment"
    this is false. many sea creatures are deadly for example the puffer fish? poison dart frog?
    marbled cone snail? blue ringed octopus? stonefish?

    Qur'an, 2:173 "He has only forbidden you carrion, blood and pork"
    is god irresponsible or foolish? can we eat poisonous animals like box jelly fish?
    gila monster? centipide? coral? monksheed? jimson weed? all deadly venomous
    can you eat guinea worm?

    Quran, 2:22 "sends down water from the sky and by it brings forth fruits"
    this is ignorant. fruit/plants needs photosynthesis from the sun to grow.

    quran 43;11 rain comes straght from god.; not from ocean evaporation condensing

    Quran, 15:22 "We send the fecundating winds"
    this is false. winds often are the cause of extreme deterioration of land and soil erosion

    quran 6;38 "all animals live in communities"
    this is false, some animals are solitary loners like leopards or jaguars

    Qur'an, 21:32 "We made the sky a preserved and protected roof "
    if this was true then how did the dinosaurs go extinct by a huge asteroid? the sky isn't concrete

    Qur'an, 53: 49 "the Lord of Sirius" (singular form)
    this is false, the star sirius is a double star.

    Quran 55:33 humans wont go into space without gods consent
    this is false. dozens of non-theists went into space without leave or permission from god

    quran 40;57 "The creation of the earth is even more awesome than the creation of the human being"
    God purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey

    qur'an, 23:14 "clothed the bones in flesh"
    this is false, bones are not formed before flesh. flesh is formed before bones

    quran 37;10 meteors are projectiles aimed at devils
    this is false. they are simply masses of particle debris which brightens after entering the earths atmosphere

    quran 67:3 there are no gaps or discrepencies in the universe
    this is false, black holes are regions of space from which nothing, including light, can escape.

    quran 17;16 god sends earthquakes only to non-muslim nations
    this is false. the higest death tolls from natural disasters this millennia were muslim countries
    2004 indonesia; 170000 dead - 2005 kashmir; 86000 dead - 2003 bam iran; 30000 dead

    quran 27;61 "made the earth a fixed abode"
    this is false. the earth moves around the sun thus cant be still

    quran 16;68 bees eat from fruit
    this is false. bees eat from nectar and pollen

    Quan 54;1 "moon rent asunder/split"
    this is false, there's no evidence whatsoever the moon has ever split in 2.

    Qur'an, 41:11 "created 7 heavens/atmospheres"
    this is false. there's 5 principal layers in the atmosphere determining temperature. plus, within these layers, theres 4 layers determined by other properties.

    quran 2;65 apes came into being through a curse from god when they were humans working on sabbath

    quran 7:189 Humans created from a single man.
    this contradicts evolution

    quran 15:26 humans created from clay
    this contradicts evolution as humans evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms.

    quran 2;36 "adam and eve dropped from heaven to earth"
    this is false, humans evolved through evolution by natural selection

    Sahih Bukhari 4;55,543 early humans were 90ft tall and humans are declining in height ever since
    this is ridiculous. the oldest human remains are shorter in height to us today
    this contradicts evolution

    quran 2;117 everything created in an instant, not through evolution

    Qur'an, 16:66 "cattle milk easy to drink"
    this is false, milk needs processing, pasteurization, microfiltrtion, creaming and homogenization

    Qur'an, 10:91 "preserve pharaoh's body as a sign"
    this is ignorant to the fact there's hundreds of pharaoh's.

    quran 40;82 if u travel the earth u will see remains of people destroyed by god
    this is false. we dont see any such thing

    quran 17;68 hurricanes or blizzards are punishments from god for non-muslims
    this is false. the 2 deadliest blizzards IN HISTORY happened in muslim countries (Iran and Afghanistan)

    quran 34;9 the universe is made of solid material you can rip a piece out of

    quran 6;6 "see they not how many past generations we destroyed"
    this is stupid, unless you have a crystal ball u can't look back in time

    Quran 27;54 homosexuals are ignorant and mindless / Quran 7;84 deserve brimstone punishment
    actually, the quran is ignorant as children are documented born hermaphrodites and transgender
    and thus can't help it.

    Qur'an, 16:68 "honey a healing for mankind"
    honey is not a significant source of vitamins or minerals and a
    potential health hazard for infants.

    quran 91;4 "night hides the sun" Qur'an, 6:1 "god creates darkness" quran 36;40 "night outstrips the day"
    this is false, darkness at night is the default and the earth hides the sun. the night is simply the absence of light from the sun

    quran 37;6 "stars fastened to heaven "
    this is false. the universe has no concrete nor bodily material

    quran 16;8 god created horses for our transportation
    this is false. it took many of years of evolution, domestication and crossbreeding

    quran 41;10 "Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke"
    this is false, the universe has never been smoke.

    Qur'an, 71:15 "Do you not see how He created seven heavens in layers?"
    there's no such things as layers in the universe. there's simply billions of galaxies

    Qur'an, 57:25 "sent down iron"
    this is ignorant of other metals which are also are present in meteors

    Qur'an, 55:19 different seas have an impenetrable barrier between them
    this is false. distinct saline levels become homogenized with the other water

    quran 2;18 "non-believers are deaf, dumb and blind"
    this is false. statistics show correlation indicating that religious conviction diminishes with education level

    quran 16;15 "allah dropped down mountains"
    this is false, mountains are formed from the folding of the Earth's
    crust, or by the collision of continental plates via plate tectonics

    quran 29;41 spiders web is the weakest
    at 1st glance, yes, but a 2nd glance shows The tensile strength of spider silk
    is greater than the same weight of steel and has much greater elasticity

    quran 16;79 without god, birds wouldnt be abe to fly
    this is false, airplanes prove that lift force is produced by the action of air flow on the wing, which
    is an airfoil. The lift force occurs because the air has a lower pressure just above
    the wing and higher pressure below. nothing divine about it.

    Qur'an, 43:11 "It is God Who sends down water in due measure from the sky"
    this is ignorant. rain comes from moisture from the oceans evaporating, condensed into drops

    quran 18;11 people sleep for 3 hundred years
    humans cant sleep that long today?

    quran 5;51 "christians and jews are best friends"
    this is false, inquisitions were an example of christian anti-semitism.

    Quran 27;19 ants supposedly talk with solomon
    anst communicate with smell so thats impossible

    Quran 45;13 "allah has subjected to you all thats in the heavens/universe"
    this is false, everything is subject to gravity. it also assumes a geocentric earth when that's not the case

    quran 81:2 Someday the stars will fall.
    fall on earth? what happened to gravity? sounds like a geocentric earth to me

    quran 2:65-66 humans transform into apes and pigs
    WHY ARE SABBATH BREAKERS NOT TURNED TO MONKEY AND PIGS TODAY?

    Qur'an, 40:60 "Call on Me and I will answer you."
    this is false. theres no evidence that prayer answers needs. it's always the same 50/50 probability rate

    quran 29;14 humans living for 1000 years
    humans cant live that long

    Quran 24;45 "every creature ... walk on bellies, two legs and 4 legs"
    this is false. theres 8 legged, 6 legged etc.

    quran 5;115 a delicious bouffet sent from heaven
    bouffet's dont magically appear from heaven

    quran 6;125 higher altitude makes your chest narrow
    this is false. you'd run out of oxygen and then eventually explode from lack of air pressure

    Qur'an, 71:15 "created seven heavens in layers"
    this is false, there are 5 principal atmosphere layers and 4 layers of other properties

    quran 30:48 "It is Allah Who sends the winds which stir up clouds"
    this is false. Wind is caused by differences in pressure. When a difference
    in pressure exists, the air is accelerated from higher to lower pressure

    quran 6;98 stars are put there by god to guide people
    stars are in changing motion by our observation so cant be a guide

    quran 71;15 the universe consists of 7 heavens
    this is false. the universe comprises trillions of galaxies



    "1 of the wings of a house fly has cure for disease"
    Sahih Bukhari 4:54:537
    this is false, wings of flies have no cures whatsoever

    "black cumin is a cure for every disease"
    Sahih Bukhari 7:71:592
    this is false. can it cure a cold? aids? etc?

    bukhari 2;4;234 camel urine is a medicine
    this is false.

    bukhari 7;71;588 honey cures abdominal problems
    this is false

    bukhari 7;71;596 indian incense cures 7 diseases
    this is false

    bukhari 7;70;555 patience cures epilepsy
    this is false

    bukhari 4;54;527 killing a white striped snake prevents miscarriages
    this is false

    bukhari 4;55;546 whoever discharges 1st, the baby will resemble that parent
    this is false

    bukhari 5;58;188 monkeys committ adultery
    this is false

    bukhari 23;5084 truffles cure eyedisease
    this is false

    Bukhari 4:483,486 the cause of fever is the fire of hell

    bukhari 7;71;663 dates neutralize poison
    this is false

    Qur'an, 27:18 ants predict and distinguish humans and pinpoint their arrival

    quran 7;107 a stick supernaturally transforms into a serpent

    quran 37;142 human survives after being swallowed by a fish

    quran 38;36 humans can fly

    quran 27;16 birds can speak

    quran 30;26 animals can glorify and devote themselves to god

    quran 53;6 mohamed flies on a winged unicorn to heaven

    quran 2;50 oceans separates itself to assist humans
    what doesnt such a thing happen today?

    quran 2;72 a dead man springs to life to testify and identify his killer
    such judiciary system would be useful today

    quran 20;22 the human hand transforms magically
    humans today are in need of a sign too

    quran 27;82 a beast speaks to humans
    sounds more like harry potter to me

    quran 36;40 "night outstrips the day"
    this is false, the night is simply the absence of light from the sun

    quran 34;10 mountains can talk
    mountains are inanimate soil.

    Qur'an 54:1 the moon splits in two
    why would god split the moon as a miracle for past generations but not today?
    also, why did non-muslims witness the moon split?

    Quran 43;3 "quran in arabic so that ye understand"
    this is naive. only 3% of the earths population speaks arabic and even less speak classical arabic
    thats why theres dozens of interpretations.

    quran 15:16 We placed galaxies in the sky, and adorned it for the beholders
    sounds more like zodiac astrology rather than astronomy

    quran 7:179 animals are evil

    quran 7:143 gods presence makes mountains crumble and shake

    quran 2;258 the sun travels around the earth

    quran 2;10 disease is from god to punish sin

    quran 26;80 no need for a doctor, god heals you

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  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #8 - January 31, 2010, 12:24 PM

    Awesome
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #9 - January 31, 2010, 12:25 PM

    And dinosaurs are not explicitly mentioned.
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #10 - January 31, 2010, 02:16 PM

    The contradictions on skeptics annotated bible are all very good, i've used them in debates and most people simply leave the debate when i mention any of them Smiley
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #11 - January 31, 2010, 11:21 PM

    The whole concept of #1...'God days' is beyond stupid.

    Take a second to think about it, just a second of scrutiny. Its beyond typical religious clap trap, into the world of complete nonsense.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
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  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #12 - April 28, 2010, 04:03 PM

    for number 9 i think there is some explanation for it i will listen to the dars if i have time and i will post the answer.

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
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    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #13 - June 21, 2012, 04:11 AM

    And yet after all this solid evidence of clear cut contradictions there are people on this forum defending the quran.
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #14 - June 21, 2012, 03:50 PM

    there appears to be so many rediculas things in hadith but i rarely hear critics of islam using them?

    why is that?
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #15 - June 22, 2012, 10:54 AM

    Because Muslims typically use the "ooh that chain of narration isn't strong, he didn't really say that" or some other rubbish.

    Well, these are the claims my arguments have been met with anyways.
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #16 - June 23, 2012, 04:17 PM

    Not if it's from Saih Bukhari they don't. Good list I'm gonna have to take some down to use   Smiley
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #17 - June 23, 2012, 10:21 PM

    You may want to consider the contradiction beween 2:62 & 4:150-151.  2:62 tells us that Jews, Christian, Sabians as long as they believe in Allah and last day have nothing to fear and will be rewarded.

    4:150-151 says that those who disbelieve, and those who distinguish between messengers, believing in some and not others will burn in hell. 

    Have look at these verses and let me know if you find them contradictory because I believe they are.
  • Re: quranic contradictions
     Reply #18 - June 23, 2012, 11:42 PM

    I always saw the Jews and Chirstain verse meaning those who supposedly followed the TRUE message of Moses and Jesus. Which going by Muslim standards is none.

    Edit: Also it can't be Christian and Jews of this time or anytime after Muhammad considering the verse in the quran stating that Islam is the only religion accepted of God.

    This is of course what I use to get out of it obviously it's all due to perspective.

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